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re: GOT Book Readers: Jon Snow question
Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:03 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:03 pm to OMLandshark
The R+L=J theory isn't complicated, OML.
Rhaegar had, arguably, his 3 best men not guarding the King and not with him at the trident. Why?
It has always been implied that he was protecting Lyanna, above all things, and his heir. That is more the action of a lover than a kidnapper, but Lyanna's status aside, Rhaegar expected to be king and the unborn child one of his heirs.
The N+A=J theory is much more complicated - tied back into the Tourney at Harenhall. If Ned and Ashara got together then, and then she killed herself after Ned returned Dawn to Starfall, unable to cope with the fact that her bastard's father had killed her brother. Ned then took the child to raise, without revealing his mother's name, to protect her family honor. Ironically, Ned has (relatively) clean hands at this point, because the fling at the tourney would have happened when Brandon was still alive and betrothed to Cat (sorry had Lyanna on the brain - along with Aerys - the most significant character in the books that was dead before the events). Timeline, I'm not sure Jon could have been passed off as a young enough age - unless he was just much smaller than Robb.
As to why I think R+L=J is much more plausible - why conceal the boy's parentage if he is the love child of Stark and Dayne? He's already illegitimate and Ned already takes the hit for fathering a bastard. No. It makes sense that if it is revealed that Jon is actually a Targaryen, he'd be killed, period, particularly if Robert knew it was the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna (remember? That's what started the whole war of the usurper in the first place).
Now - the problem is going to be - who has the best argument to be king/queen?
Dany is a child of the mad king - the aunt of Young Griff/Aegon (if he actually is who we all think he is, and not an imposter) and Jon (if R+L=J). So, if females can rise with existing male heirs - then Dany is the queen (and she has 3 dragons). But the dragon has three heads, right?
Are the 3 heads, Dany, Aegon and Jon Snow Stark Targaryen?
Rhaegar had, arguably, his 3 best men not guarding the King and not with him at the trident. Why?
It has always been implied that he was protecting Lyanna, above all things, and his heir. That is more the action of a lover than a kidnapper, but Lyanna's status aside, Rhaegar expected to be king and the unborn child one of his heirs.
The N+A=J theory is much more complicated - tied back into the Tourney at Harenhall. If Ned and Ashara got together then, and then she killed herself after Ned returned Dawn to Starfall, unable to cope with the fact that her bastard's father had killed her brother. Ned then took the child to raise, without revealing his mother's name, to protect her family honor. Ironically, Ned has (relatively) clean hands at this point, because the fling at the tourney would have happened when Brandon was still alive and betrothed to Cat (sorry had Lyanna on the brain - along with Aerys - the most significant character in the books that was dead before the events). Timeline, I'm not sure Jon could have been passed off as a young enough age - unless he was just much smaller than Robb.
As to why I think R+L=J is much more plausible - why conceal the boy's parentage if he is the love child of Stark and Dayne? He's already illegitimate and Ned already takes the hit for fathering a bastard. No. It makes sense that if it is revealed that Jon is actually a Targaryen, he'd be killed, period, particularly if Robert knew it was the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna (remember? That's what started the whole war of the usurper in the first place).
Now - the problem is going to be - who has the best argument to be king/queen?
Dany is a child of the mad king - the aunt of Young Griff/Aegon (if he actually is who we all think he is, and not an imposter) and Jon (if R+L=J). So, if females can rise with existing male heirs - then Dany is the queen (and she has 3 dragons). But the dragon has three heads, right?
Are the 3 heads, Dany, Aegon and Jon Snow Stark Targaryen?
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 11:08 pm
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:10 pm to Ace Midnight
My only problem with the theory is that I think Tywin would have almost certainly figured it out and would have found a way to sneak an assassin up to Winterfell to kill Jon. Jaime and LF would have their pride in knowing that honorable Ned has a bastard, but I don't think Tywin would not think that crap through that the 2 best members of the Kingsguard and Rhaegar's best friend were there guarding Lyanna Stark. Tywin I think is sly and calculating enough to see through this, although granted he didn't see his children's incest solely because he refused to see it.
I also think that Varys has figured it out, but those are the only 2 that really strike me as having the brains to figure it out.
I also think that Varys has figured it out, but those are the only 2 that really strike me as having the brains to figure it out.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:16 pm to Ace Midnight
We do not all think Aegon is legit.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 12:35 am to Ace Midnight
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No. It makes sense that if it is revealed that Jon is actually a Targaryen, he'd be killed, period, particularly if Robert knew it was the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna (remember? That's what started the whole war of the usurper in the first place).
Plus, it was Ned that talked Robert into not pursuing and killing Viserys and Dany. Put the idea of not killing children in his head and whatnot, while at the same time leaving two more obvious threats there before Jon.
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