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Why isn't History tested in chronological order?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 6:44 pm
You learn history in chronological order
You teach it in chronological order
You remember it in order
Not knowing it in order is essentially pointless
Yet when kids in school take standardized tests the information isn't in order, it's randomly mixed throughout the test.
This means that they have to essentially memorize facts instead of understand time periods.
This makes no sense to me
You teach it in chronological order
You remember it in order
Not knowing it in order is essentially pointless
Yet when kids in school take standardized tests the information isn't in order, it's randomly mixed throughout the test.
This means that they have to essentially memorize facts instead of understand time periods.
This makes no sense to me
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 6:57 pm to Tiger1242
quote:I don't see how the order of the questions, has any bearing on the acquisition and recall of knowledge. If people need to have the questions chronologically ordered, then they are probably missing the point.
You learn history in chronological order
You teach it in chronological order
You remember it in order
Not knowing it in order is essentially pointless
Yet when kids in school take standardized tests the information isn't in order, it's randomly mixed throughout the test.
This means that they have to essentially memorize facts instead of understand time periods.
This makes no sense to me
Another issue is the structure of the tests usually have a distinct purpose. Most modern tests are based on item response theory (IRT) and typically have two parameters (can have more but usually they use Rasch Model because they are a bit simpler), the latent trait (e.g., history knowledge) and the difficulty level.
For example, an IQ test typically measures one traits so it is designed so that each question is incrementally more difficult than another. The GRE is adaptive so it is designed to adapt to the performance of the individual and gets harder or easier.
In the case of your history achievement test presented in school (e.g., high-stakes tests) has to measure multiple standards at various difficulty levels. Therefore, they are probably interspersed based on the standard (i.e., a latent trait) and difficulty level.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 6:57 pm to Tiger1242
quote:
You learn history in chronological order
I took Louisiana history in 8th grade
US history in 9th grade
World history in 10the grade
Posted on 3/24/15 at 6:59 pm to Tiger1242
quote:
You learn history in chronological order
Pretty sure I didn't.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:13 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
don't see how the order of the questions, has any bearing on the acquisition and recall of knowledge. If people need to have the questions chronologically ordered, then they are probably missing the point.
Another issue is the structure of the tests usually have a distinct purpose. Most modern tests are based on item response theory (IRT) and typically have two parameters (can have more but usually they use Rasch Model because they are a bit simpler), the latent trait (e.g., history knowledge) and the difficulty level.
For example, an IQ test typically measures one traits so it is designed so that each question is incrementally more difficult than another. The GRE is adaptive so it is designed to adapt to the performance of the individual and gets harder or easier.
In the case of your history achievement test presented in school (e.g., high-stakes tests) has to measure multiple standards at various difficulty levels. Therefore, they are probably interspersed based on the standard (i.e., a latent trait) and difficulty level.
I came here to post exactly this.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:19 pm to Tiger1242
The Earth is only about 6,000 years old.
I think we can reasonably expect kids to memorize one history factoid from each of those years.
I think we can reasonably expect kids to memorize one history factoid from each of those years.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:26 pm to Tiger1242
No
No
No
And essentially no
No
No
And essentially no
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:43 pm to buckeye_vol
Don't mean to call you out, but you're talking out of your arse.
The standardized tests (at least for TX public schools). Are not dispersed based on standards or difficulty. They have many different standards but they don't group them on the test, it's all random.
And to ppl who say you learned X history, then Y, ect.... I'm talking about in those classes you learned things chronologically, I don't mean they should start from Mesopotamia and work up. I mean that if you have an American history class, your test should start with early exploration and progress from there instead of being spread out.
The test would be easier that way which means you could teach them more in depth information
The standardized tests (at least for TX public schools). Are not dispersed based on standards or difficulty. They have many different standards but they don't group them on the test, it's all random.
And to ppl who say you learned X history, then Y, ect.... I'm talking about in those classes you learned things chronologically, I don't mean they should start from Mesopotamia and work up. I mean that if you have an American history class, your test should start with early exploration and progress from there instead of being spread out.
The test would be easier that way which means you could teach them more in depth information
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:56 pm to Tiger1242
quote:Well I said "probably."
Don't mean to call you out, but you're talking out of your arse.
The standardized tests (at least for TX public schools). Are not dispersed based on standards or difficulty. They have many different standards but they don't group them on the test, it's all random.
Regardless, you are just stating what I said. They have a test bank that measure (hopefully) the standards, and each standard has items of varying level of difficulty. They are then interspersed (i.e., scattered among and between one another) throughout the test. When I said by, standard and difficulty, I meant that they want to make sure not all items of a particulate standard or difficulty level are grouped together.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:04 pm to Tiger1242
Found out your kid is not as smart as you thought?
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