re: DISNEY Tournament Master Thread

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I will fight you.

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This is a first for us.

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And I'm not even sure how you think the characters are uninteresting. Elsa is the first Disney villain (well, antagonist would be a better word) to have a real motivation other than "I'm evil". In fact, the fact that she really ISN'T evil makes the movie far more tragic. Most Disney villains are capital-V "VILLAINS!" but Elsa is instead a confused girl who is forced to grow up too fast and flounders under the responsibility, eventually rejecting it. It's a far more interesting story.

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See, this would be a really big interesting discussion. I think quite a few Disney villains have more than a "I'm Evil!" appeal (some certainly are that simple...I'm looking at you Jafar). And I found Elsa's freakout, her song, all that just completely bland. Maybe that's just me, there wasn't the depth of struggle, just the idea of "We need her to do this" as writers (manipulated). It wasn't natural but almost a TOO CONSTRUCTED Disney Fairy Tale if that makes sense. (And is she really the antagonist or villain after 40 mins.).

I think there's a good story there, it just wasn't told, but obviously I'm in the minority. I think all the other stuff got in the way of Elsa being a fully fleshed out character...living snowmen, trolls, etc..... that I think that's were the manipulated feeling comes from.