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re: DISNEY Tournament Master Thread
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:46 am to Freauxzen
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:46 am to Freauxzen
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Also, I really disliked Frozen. It felt like the Crash of Disney Films. Just all manipulated and overproduced with completely uninteresting characters.
I will fight you. And I'm not even sure how you think the characters are uninteresting. Elsa is the first Disney villain (well, antagonist would be a better word) to have a real motivation other than "I'm evil". In fact, the fact that she really ISN'T evil makes the movie far more tragic. Most Disney villains are capital-V "VILLAINS!" but Elsa is instead a confused girl who is forced to grow up too fast and flounders under the responsibility, eventually rejecting it. It's a far more interesting story.
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 11:47 am
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:48 am to Baloo
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I will fight you.
I love how we're all a bunch of grown arse men (for the most part) in here talking about fighting each other and making cases and arguing over quality and opinion (which is what message boards are for anyway)....and it's all over Disney animated films.
Just seems so hilarious.
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 11:49 am
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:53 am to Baloo
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Elsa is the first Disney villain (well, antagonist would be a better word) to have a real motivation other than "I'm evil".
elsa is the only interesting part of the movie and shes not the main screen time.
her sister and the guy she instantly falls for are terrible. the "twist" feels forced and is immediately dealt with. it seemed like a bunch of forced moments with no real motivation behind a lot of them.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:55 am to Baloo
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I will fight you.
This is a first for us.
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And I'm not even sure how you think the characters are uninteresting. Elsa is the first Disney villain (well, antagonist would be a better word) to have a real motivation other than "I'm evil". In fact, the fact that she really ISN'T evil makes the movie far more tragic. Most Disney villains are capital-V "VILLAINS!" but Elsa is instead a confused girl who is forced to grow up too fast and flounders under the responsibility, eventually rejecting it. It's a far more interesting story.
See, this would be a really big interesting discussion. I think quite a few Disney villains have more than a "I'm Evil!" appeal (some certainly are that simple...I'm looking at you Jafar). And I found Elsa's freakout, her song, all that just completely bland. Maybe that's just me, there wasn't the depth of struggle, just the idea of "We need her to do this" as writers (manipulated). It wasn't natural but almost a TOO CONSTRUCTED Disney Fairy Tale if that makes sense. (And is she really the antagonist or villain after 40 mins.).
I think there's a good story there, it just wasn't told, but obviously I'm in the minority. I think all the other stuff got in the way of Elsa being a fully fleshed out character...living snowmen, trolls, etc..... that I think that's were the manipulated feeling comes from.
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