re: Has Anyone In The Sports Media Ever Heard Of Bart Starr?

Bart Starr played in an era that predated weight training. He doesn't belong in the same conversation with Ryan Leaf, much less Tom Brady.

quote:

---

IMO, the biggest improvement in track and field is the synthetic tracks.

In 1936, Jesse Owens set the world record in the long jump at the Big Ten Championships. His mark stood as the world record for 25 years, the Big Ten record until 2010, the school record until 2013 and would have won the 2014 NCAA Championships.

---

Great info on Jesse Owens. His records stood nearly a century despite the disadvantages of his era (poor tracks, no blocks, shoes ,legal or illegal peds,etc...)


Amazing that Owens was about 5'10 & 160lbs soaking wet( No peds here) with inferior shoes, dirt tracks & no starting blocks..

I was reading an article awhile back that since 1984 Donovan Bailey & Usain Bolt are the only 100 meter champs(Olympics) that haven't failed a drug test .

The 100 meter record fell numerous times because of the so called 'superior modern athletes' & most have been busted for PEDs:


Tim Montgomery ,Linford Christie, Justin Gatlin, Asafa Powell, Ben Johnson, Tyson Gay ,Carl Lewis, Maurice Greene,etc....All busted & I may be missing a few Olympic or World record holders since 1983/Calvin Smith.



Calvin Smith (ironically no larger than Owens ) finally broke Jim Hines record of 1968 which stood for 15 years before Smith broke it in 1983.

Calvin Smith takes pride in being the last 'natural sprinter' to break the 100 meter record.

The beautiful Evelyn Ashford 100 meter record would still stand after more than 30 years if not for Flo-Jo (who I am convinced was dirty).

What about those inferior athletes of the 60's like Bob Beamon & his long jump record which has only been surpassed once in nearly 50 years?



People are insane if they believe the human body can evolve so greatly within a generation or two or 3 . It's absurb.

I think every one here already knew that weight training wasn't always part of pro athletes training regimen, but do you have a point other than repeating this same banal statement?

I got his autograph at a baseball card show at pont center in kenner

quote:

---

Can't you say the same thing about Brady. When Brady was hurt in 2008, Belicheck won 11 games with Brady's backup.

---

Plus no one ever accused Starr and Lombardi of cheating to win titles.

Starr vs Unitas is roughly equivalent to Brady vs Peyton

if there'd been sportstalk radio and internet message boards then, I'm sure we'd've heard plenty of "Unitas got lucky twice, but hasn't won shite w/o Ameche and that defense"

Unitas was best ever. Period.

He would shred defenses with these offenses and receivers today.

quote:

---

Different era and all that, but his 152/138 career TD/INT ratio probably has something to do with it as well.

---

That's actually a fantastic ratio for that era. In fact, would have been a great ratio in the 70's and even to the 80's.

quote:

---

He would shred defenses with these offenses and receivers today.

---

You forgot the high tops.