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re: This is why Super Bowl rings are mostly irrelevant
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:34 pm to SmackoverHawg
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:34 pm to SmackoverHawg
The seahwaks were driving regardless ofmthat play. The point is neither peyton normbrady's greatness should be definded by super bowls
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Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:35 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
quote:
So Gronkowski is like the Bizzaro-Tebow, right?
Now that you say it, I can see it. But I like him better than Tebow for it.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:35 pm to SmackoverHawg
Slightly OT, I was wondering why NE didn't call a TO at some point. Everyone had to assume Seattle was going to punch it in. Give Brady a little time to do something if so.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:35 pm to iwasthere
quote:production/efficiency.
Go for it.
Done, thanks for trying.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:37 pm to shel311
say that when Brady puts 4 Superbowl Rings in your face.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:37 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:Wooooo, sick burn!!!
say that when Brady puts 4 Superbowl Rings in your face.
Especially considering I think Brady would be just as all time great with less rings. Logic is really escaping some of you right now.
This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:38 pm to shel311
Well said.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:38 pm to ZeeDustin
quote:
So if Jordan didn't win a single championship is he still the greatest?
Because a shooting guard on a 5 man basketball team is totally the same as a QB on a football team with 22 starters and 11 special teamers.
Some of you are totally missing this guys point.
Brady was one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time when he put the Pats up by 4. Butler getting that int didn't magically make him greater, and he wouldn't have magically been worse if Wilson throws the winning TD pass there.
That's all the guy is saying. Using rings as a metric of QB greatness is a little silly. That's all.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:39 pm to shel311
quote:
production/efficiency.
Done, thanks for trying.
Nice try. Your logic is that nothing that happens outside of Tom Brady makes him a better QB. You say that just because the Pats intercepted the ball and won had no bearing on making Brady any better. Well, for him to have the production/efficiency that you say makes him better then Mett, it requires people outside of Brady. Brady didn't catch the ball, someone else had to.
You contradict yourself to prove your points.
This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:40 pm to ZereauxSum
It kind of does make him better. He won the MVP. U know the best player on the field. If he loses he doesn't win it. U don't want to count super bowl Mvps either?
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:41 pm to ZereauxSum
quote:How can anyone disagree with this?
Brady was one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time when he put the Pats up by 4. Butler getting that int didn't magically make him greater, and he wouldn't have magically been worse if Wilson throws the winning TD pass there.
It's funny seeing all the "you're butthurt" guys as they don't realize this idea is just as much pro-Brady as it is anti-Brady
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:41 pm to shel311
K. Re-read the OP, and I do agree with you more. BUT, Brady becomes the QB who goes 0-3 in his last 3 SB's. "What have you done for me lately" world we live in. I think people do view him differently if Seattle punches it in.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:42 pm to iwasthere
quote:No, just rings. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Your logic is that nothing that happens outside of Tom Brady makes him a better QB
quote:
Well, for him to have the production/efficiency that you say makes him better then Mett
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:43 pm to ZereauxSum
quote:
Because a shooting guard on a 5 man basketball team is totally the same as a QB on a football team with 22 starters and 11 special teamers.
Some of you are totally missing this guys point.
Brady was one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time when he put the Pats up by 4. Butler getting that int didn't magically make him greater, and he wouldn't have magically been worse if Wilson throws the winning TD pass there.
That's all the guy is saying. Using rings as a metric of QB greatness is a little silly. That's all.
blah blah blah, yes the argument works. Brady is just as good of a QB if the final score was 28 24 or 31-28. But when the Brady greatest QB debate comes up, you won't look at almost Super Bowl wins you will look at Super bowl wins.
Just think about this debate
who is better
Brady 4 Super Bowls
Bradshaw 4 Super Bowls
Montana 4 Super Bowls.
if Brady only had 3 super bowls do you think he would win the argument as greatest QB ever?
Yes Super Bowl rings are relevant. It's not the only thing but when it comes to debating the greatest QBs in NFL history championships are a huge part of it.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:44 pm to sicboy
quote:You're 100% correct, and what I'm saying is that you/we/whoever don't have to be sheep and falling in line with the brainead group think of people who view hiim differently.
I think people do view him differently if Seattle punches it in.
quote:It basically came down to 3 drives against NE's defense. Brady had no control of any of those drives Like I said, whether it was 3, none, or the 1 that went in his favor, he is the exact same amount of great in any of those scenarios.
BUT, Brady becomes the QB who goes 0-3 in his last 3 SB's
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:44 pm to ZeeDustin
quote:
It kind of does make him better. He won the MVP. U know the best player on the field. If he loses he doesn't win it. U don't want to count super bowl Mvps either?
The MVP never goes to a guy on the losing team. That has nothing to do with how well one individual performs, it's just etiquette.
Brady's stat line is exactly the same whether Wilson scores or turns it over. Do you really believe that his performance is defined by an event that happened when he wasn't even on the field?
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:44 pm to shel311
quote:
Brady is no better or worse because Pete Carroll made the biggest coaching gaffe in the history of coaching gaffes.
3 rings, 4 rings, he's literally no different of a QB, no better or worse.
I think the flaw in your logic is that you are concentrating on one play. He had to do a lot of good things (and overcome some bad things) to get his team to be in that position. And, as others have said he had to do a lot during the regular season and playoffs to even be there.
So a Superbowl ring represents much more than just one play.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:45 pm to ZeeDustin
quote:No, he's the same exact QB either way, how can he not be? You realize he wasn't playing D on that last drive right?
He won the MVP. U know the best player on the field. If he loses he doesn't win it. U don't want to count super bowl Mvps either?
I don't judge how good a guy is by an awar sportswriters or whoever pick.
This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:46 pm to shel311
Your logic is off. You're trying to use one play as an example of why SB rings don't matter, all while ignoring everything that makes them the most coveted hardware in sports, and that's a full season's body of work topped off with performing on the ultimate stage.
Sure in this case you could say Brady isn't much different whether the Seahawks score there or not, but this is a unique example considering he's the only QB to play in 6 SB's. His legacy is pretty much defined. Go ask Jim Kelly if rings are irrelevant.
Sure in this case you could say Brady isn't much different whether the Seahawks score there or not, but this is a unique example considering he's the only QB to play in 6 SB's. His legacy is pretty much defined. Go ask Jim Kelly if rings are irrelevant.
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