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Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:19 pm to iwasthere
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:19 pm to iwasthere
Blandino said Bryant lunging forward toward the goal line is not the kind of overt act a player needs to make in order to be seen as making a “football move.”
“There’s judgment involved in all of these plays,” Blandino said. “We felt it was indisputable that’s not what Bryant did. He was just trying to gain control of it.”
“There’s judgment involved in all of these plays,” Blandino said. “We felt it was indisputable that’s not what Bryant did. He was just trying to gain control of it.”
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:21 pm to tigerskin
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He was just trying to gain control of it.”
That's just what I don't get. How would moving from two hands to one be trying to "gain control"...that's purposely making it harder to control. Which is why, to me, it was obvious he was trying to get the ball to the plane of the goal line.
I completely see the other side, though.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:22 pm to iwasthere
quote:Is this a joke? It's talking about catching a pass as you slide or dive...you have to control it through the play. fricking Dez Bryant jumped UP to catch the pass and landed on his damn feet. What the hell?
Item 1: Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
I'm actually more certain it was a catch now that I've read this "going to the ground" rule. He wasn't going to the ground until he was tripped.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:22 pm to iwasthere
How do we know what constitutes going to the ground and what doesn't?
There is a lot of gray area in the rules.
Like I said, the contact by the defender's leg (the trip tackle) happens almost simultaneously with Dez having two hands on the ball at his chest, beginning to stretch the ball out.
If a football move is made before the contact that takes him to the ground, it is a catch. It is very close. Again, I don't see how you overturn that.
There is a lot of gray area in the rules.
Like I said, the contact by the defender's leg (the trip tackle) happens almost simultaneously with Dez having two hands on the ball at his chest, beginning to stretch the ball out.
If a football move is made before the contact that takes him to the ground, it is a catch. It is very close. Again, I don't see how you overturn that.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:24 pm to ReauxlTide222
Exactly. You cool argue the catch was already secured before Dez started going to the ground.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:24 pm to ReauxlTide222
Hell, you are eventually going to the ground after every catch.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:27 pm to BayouBengals03
You could hear that from Dez when he was talking right after the game. Obviously he was biased but he was like WTF, I had way before made that catch and was going to the endzone
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:27 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Is this a joke? It's talking about catching a pass as you slide or dive...you have to control it through the play. fricking Dez Bryant jumped UP to catch the pass and landed on his damn feet. What the hell?
He might have landed on his feet, but he didn't have control of the ball. He had control once he was going down.
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'm actually more certain it was a catch now that I've read this "going to the ground" rule. He wasn't going to the ground until he was tripped.
It clearly says in the rule WITH or without contact by an opponent.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:29 pm to iwasthere
The trip is what causes Dez to fall.
The trip and the football move happen almost simultaneously. So, if the football move occurs before the trip, it is a catch.
It is so close. I don't see how they can overturn it.
The trip and the football move happen almost simultaneously. So, if the football move occurs before the trip, it is a catch.
It is so close. I don't see how they can overturn it.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:30 pm to tigerskin
It all depends on when the player has control of the ball. If he is going down when he establishes control, then the rule applies. If he isn't going down when he establishes control, then it doesn't apply. Pretty simple.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:30 pm to iwasthere
quote:
They deemed he was going to the ground
So how did they deem that?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:32 pm to iwasthere
Dez has complete control then takes 2 steps. Pretty simple
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:33 pm to BayouBengals03
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The trip and the football move happen almost simultaneously. So, if the football move occurs before the trip, it is a catch.
The lunge(if it is assumed this is what he was doing when his left foot touched the ground), was at the 3 yd line. The contact was before this at about the 3.5 - 4 yd line.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:34 pm to iwasthere
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It all depends on when the player has control of the ball. If he is going down when he establishes control, then the rule applies. If he isn't going down when he establishes control, then it doesn't apply. Pretty simple.
Exactly.
And the trip and football move happen almost simultaneously.
Again, how do they overturn that?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:35 pm to tigerskin
While going to the ground. Pretty simple.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:36 pm to iwasthere
The millisecond the lunge starts, it is a catch.
So, if you think it is a lunge, it's very close.
It's simultaneous, to me.
So, if you think it is a lunge, it's very close.
It's simultaneous, to me.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:38 pm to tigerskin
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Dez has complete control then takes 2 steps
nope
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:38 pm to tigerskin
quote:EXACTLY. People need to get outta here with the going to the ground stuff.
Hell, you are eventually going to the ground after every catch.
Btw, I know it's pretty lame for grown arse men to talk about this play as much as we are, but I'm honestly really interested in everything about it.
Onward!!!
So about the reason he actually goes to the ground. To me, he's going to easily stroll in for the TD if Shields isn't there. He lands and tries to stride it out. It's not like he's hopping on 1 foot to keep balance or anything. Taking this into account, him tripping is just Shields making the tackle.
Bryant catches the ball with feet inbounds and is tackled. Boom catch!
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:40 pm to iwasthere
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Item 1: Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent),
This is the key part IMO. In order for this rule to apply, you must first establish what is required to catch a pass.
Those that believe it was a catch are arguing that the act of cacthing the pass was completed once he lunged forward, thereby rendering the rest of the rule irrelevant.
I'm not saying they are right or wrong, but hopefully that squashes the back and forth argument you've been having for the last few pages.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:41 pm to ReauxlTide222
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To me, he's going to easily stroll in for the TD if Shields doesn't intentionally trip him there
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