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re: Cuba embargo to be lifted
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:09 pm to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:09 pm to Aubie Spr96
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You want to end Communism or opposite dictatorships? Free trade does that.
Yep. Lifting this embargo is a great move.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:14 pm to OMLandshark
China changed it policies to accommodate trade and allow for it's citizens to prosper. This has not happened here, and we have no indication that it will. Again,where are Cubans going to get this disposable income when they aren't allowed to make profits?
Big boys usually have a precise road map or what is known as a "business model" for a successful venture. Your vague ideas seem to assume that we have suddenly returned to the Batista era of completely free trade, real estate acquisition, massive shipments of goods and a populace that has income with which to buy them, none of which is the case. As it stands, you'd still have to move heaven and earth just to get that vacation you keep mentioning.
Of course, according so some posters, the free trade you would require is the evil, capitalist pig philosophy which started this whole mess in the first place. Maybe, like frigid females, they're just never happy about any condition.
quote:I know it's frustrating, man. Yes, I think I'm smart because I like sugar. That makes perfect logical sense.
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Big boys usually have a precise road map or what is known as a "business model" for a successful venture. Your vague ideas seem to assume that we have suddenly returned to the Batista era of completely free trade, real estate acquisition, massive shipments of goods and a populace that has income with which to buy them, none of which is the case. As it stands, you'd still have to move heaven and earth just to get that vacation you keep mentioning.
Of course, according so some posters, the free trade you would require is the evil, capitalist pig philosophy which started this whole mess in the first place. Maybe, like frigid females, they're just never happy about any condition.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:23 pm to REG861
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Funny, they don't seem adversarial to the other western nations that have normalized relationships with them.
They also don't seem to have prospered with the help of those nations. Again, if they change their governmental system, I'll be all for normalizing relations. Until then, we are just helping their government survive with little to no return on our investment.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:29 pm to UL-SabanRival
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China changed it policies to accommodate trade and allow for it's citizens to prosper. This has not happened here, and we have no indication that it will. Again,where are Cubans going to get this disposable income when they aren't allowed to make profits?
OK, I hate to break it to you, but this shite didn't happen the second Mao dropped dead. Have you forgotten that China was under the most brutal dictatorship of the 20th Century, even worse than Stalin and Hitler? This will take time. The more America invests in Cuba, the more progressive they will become and open to American ideals and products. Seriously, what Cuban isn't going to want a smart phone? What you're proposing is that Cuba is going to be completely stagnant and not change with this embargo ending. Things will change with this, unlike your retarded line of thinking.
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I know it's frustrating, man. Yes, I think I'm smart because I like sugar. That makes perfect logical sense.
Please give me a reason besides Louisiana's sugar industry and the retarded assumption Cuba isn't going to change?
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Big boys usually have a precise road map or what is known as a "business model" for a successful venture. Your vague ideas seem to assume that we have suddenly returned to the Batista era of completely free trade, real estate acquisition, massive shipments of goods and a populace that has income with which to buy them, none of which is the case. As it stands, you'd still have to move heaven and earth just to get that vacation you keep mentioning.
Sorry I don't have a step by step plan 4 fricking hours after I find out about this. Yeah, like most good ideas, they're vague at the start, but become more detailed as time goes on. You act as if I'm proposing doing this in North fricking Korea instead of a country that has frequent tourists and is less than 100 miles from us. Sorry if it seems like a pretty good place to invest for anyone outside of the sugar industry.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:39 pm to Fun Bunch
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Has anything been announced as to what we are actually doing, beyond a prisoner swap?
Build an Embassy in Havana & have a Cuban one the U.S.
Lift some trade & travel sanctions that he has the power to do. (stuff like increasing remittances, relaxing travel to see family,etc...).
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:45 pm to OMLandshark
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but cars I think will be the biggest and most profitable thing we can sell to them.
Walmart Co is bigger than GM Co and Ford Co combined.
You can't buy cars at Walmart - yet.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:47 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Walmart Co is bigger than GM Co and Ford Co combined.
You can't buy cars at Walmart - yet.
But I can't BUY Wal-Mart either. I can buy used and new cars though and mark them up. I too think Wal-Mart will soon have a presence over there, but it's not something your average entrepreneur can do.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:51 pm to KeyserSoze999
I'm a Repub, but this embargo is silly and outdated. The fact that Cuba is still identified as a terrorist state is laughable.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:57 pm to OMLandshark
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But I can't BUY Wal-Mart either. I can buy used and new cars though and mark them up. I too think Wal-Mart will soon have a presence over there, but it's not something your average entrepreneur can do.
My point is they got there by selling a million units at a dollar as opposed to one unit at a million.
That's the model to take over there.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:14 pm to OMLandshark
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Let's think about countries where the average person can afford international travel, and where those countries are located. Europeans are a little far from the Caribbean and have numerous beautiful vacation spots closer than Cuba
i'm not completely disagreeing but when I've gone to Mexican resorts at certain times their are a shitload of Brits.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:22 pm to Jake88
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i'm not completely disagreeing but when I've gone to Mexican resorts at certain times their are a shitload of Brits.
I've vacationed pretty extensively in Mexico, and while I've met plenty of Canadians there, on the top of my head with Europeans I've met there, I've only met some Italians. Don't see what's so special about Mexico when they have Spain right beside them.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:33 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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My point is they got there by selling a million units at a dollar as opposed to one unit at a million.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:37 pm to upgrayedd
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We're gonna Walmart
Yep
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and Starbucks
Only the Politburo members can afford Starbucks coffee.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:39 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Only the Politburo members can afford Starbucks coffee.
They're all over China. Granted, I think they're still about 10 years off from luxury over-priced coffee, but in resort areas, I'd be shocked if they didn't open one as soon as the ban is lifted.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:43 pm to UL-SabanRival
quote:Are you 12? China did nothing to open up relations with the US. This man did.
China changed it policies to accommodate trade and allow for it's citizens to prosper.
And when Mao kicked the bucket, things loosened a little. Then Deng opened it up a little more then kicked the bucket. Then this $ opened it to where it is now.
quote:Honestly, you're dumb as dirt.
Yes, I think I'm smart because I like sugar.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:04 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Are you 12? China did nothing to open up relations with the US. This man did.
And when Mao kicked the bucket, things loosened a little. Then Deng opened it up a little more then kicked the bucket. Then this $ opened it to where it is now.
Him and Deng for sure. Mao I give no credit for this and may have been the single worst man to have lived in the 20th century. The number of people's deaths he led to are likely worse than both Hitler and Stalin combined. Nixon was the one who opened the gate and then Deng was the visionary who saw the future for a greater China and then stormed through it. These two men are the reason for China's current greatness and the fact that it's not a shithole where millions starve to death yearly. Nixon repairing our relationship with China was the greatest thing his administration did, and then Deng completed his work by bringing American industry and ideals to China
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:21 pm to OMLandshark
I wrote a paper in college on the change from Mao to Deng. Incredible times and kind of ignored today.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:29 pm to Vegas Bengal
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I wrote a paper in college on the change from Mao to Deng. Incredible times and kind of ignored today.
As far as greatest people of the 20th century, Deng Xiaoping is in my opinion in the Top 5, and most certainly in the Top 10. I'd put a few scientists above him, but he's my most respected politician of that century. He ended mass death for 1.4 billion people and really left China a better place than when he came into it. He was ballsy as hell and it's pretty much a miracle he wasn't assassinated by Mao. And the sad thing is I bet that 99% of Americans don't have a clue who he is. It's sad really.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:44 pm to OMLandshark
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As far as greatest people of the 20th century, Deng Xiaoping is in my opinion in the Top 5, and most certainly in the Top 10. I'd put a few scientists above him, but he's my most respected politician of that century. He ended mass death for 1.4 billion people and really left China a better place than when he came into it. He was ballsy as hell and it's pretty much a miracle he wasn't assassinated by Mao. And the sad thing is I bet that 99% of Americans don't have a clue who he is. It's sad really.
I know who Dung Xiaopig is. The butcher who ordered the Tienanmen Square massacre. F him.
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