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re: Landrieu outperformed the rcp poling averages by 8 points
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
An election like this is very difficult to predict with precision. The big problem is turnout. In a general election we have a lot of previous experience that can be used to predict who the likely voters are and how the likely voters are likely to vote. In a runoff election like this, it is more difficult to predict who is going to vote. I suspect that the polls showing Cassidy up 24 were based on likely-voter models that were flawed. They were based on a general election instead of a unique situation like a runoff, and hence they overpredicted turnout among Cassidy voters.
One thing that strikes me about this result is that ML did not improve appreciably on her vote percentage in the first election. In a multi-candidate field she got 42% of the vote, and in the runoff she got 43% of the vote. In order to win she needed to get a higher turnout rate from her supporters than from the supporters of the other candidates, and this did not happen. I don't remember seeing a poll throughout the campaign in which she broke 45% of the vote. Barring a major mistake by Cassidy, she has been a goner for some time.
One thing that strikes me about this result is that ML did not improve appreciably on her vote percentage in the first election. In a multi-candidate field she got 42% of the vote, and in the runoff she got 43% of the vote. In order to win she needed to get a higher turnout rate from her supporters than from the supporters of the other candidates, and this did not happen. I don't remember seeing a poll throughout the campaign in which she broke 45% of the vote. Barring a major mistake by Cassidy, she has been a goner for some time.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:16 am to dolamite
quote:Correct
Her biggest parish support came from Orleans Parish.
quote:Correct. I am not surprised she at all that she won Orleans but I question the margin. Orleans Parish is 60% black, yet she received 85% of the vote. Caddo Parish is 48% black and she received 54% of the vote. Something smells in Orleans Parish.
Mary only carried parishes with majority Black voters.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:19 am to SpidermanTUba
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quote: I'm glad she's gone, but I wanted a wendy davis type landslide. Other than the D and the parts I don't see much in common between the two.
From all I have heard, ML is a nice lady. Davis on the other hand....
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:35 am to TigerTattle
quote:That is a very interesting number. How does the Orleans Parish runoff turnout compare statewide. I am very surprised that many people turned out when this election meant very little to the dems.
Mary - from 94905 to 87398
I put this another way. In Caddo she got 54% of the vote with 48% black population which equals a plus 6. In Orleans Parish she got 85% of the vote with 60% black population which equals a plus 25. Something smells.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:42 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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especially the spelling bee one
This was with out a doubt my favorite ad!! Finally, something creative from the Republican stiffs. " I support this message".
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:43 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Irrelevant. Cassidy is all of the things even his own Party/Ideology critics point out...but what he ain't...is an Obama Ideological team-player. And that is all that matters.
Obama is as slick as they come behind that teleprompter...and where has that got us. Cassidy will push the right button for Louisiana...and not just for the NO Dem base that has kept Mary at the trough. Good enough.
Obama is as slick as they come behind that teleprompter...and where has that got us. Cassidy will push the right button for Louisiana...and not just for the NO Dem base that has kept Mary at the trough. Good enough.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:49 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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it could have been cassidy supporters staying home
Considering only 45% of the voting eligible public voted in the primary (likely much less in the runoff given the results for both house and senate were anticipated) and Cassidy only received about 55% of the votes from those who did vote, there are some much bigger issues at play.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:50 am to dante
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I put this another way. In Caddo she got 54% of the vote with 48% black population which equals a plus 6. In Orleans Parish she got 85% of the vote with 60% black population which equals a plus 25. Something smells.
Disagree. The white population of Orleans is different from the white population in the rest of the state. The LGBT population is very strongly Democrat. Tulane, Loyola, and UNO students are going to be mostly D. The Warehouse District has a lot of single, under-30 white residents. Uptown has a good number of limousine liberals.
The white conservatives in the area live in Jefferson, St. Bernard, and St. Tammany.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:54 am to STEVED00
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This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:59 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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That, or it could have been cassidy supporters staying home thinking it was in the bag.
This plus a late surge from St. Louis #1, #2, Odd Fellows and Metairie cemeteries.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 9:01 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:Agreed, but what are their numbers in New Orleans.
The LGBT population is very strongly Democrat.
quote:The total number is 20,000 for those 3 schools. The commuters are already factored into the demographics and the out of state students don't count. Plus the college age kids are the least likely to vote in a non-presidential election
Tulane, Loyola, and UNO students are going to be mostly D
quote:Ok. I just have a hard time believing the Mary only had 7500 fewer votes on Saturday than on Nov 4th.
The Warehouse District has a lot of single, under-30 white residents. Uptown has a good number of limousine liberals.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:13 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Landrieu didn't outperform diddly.
Any 18 year incumbent getting their arse stomped by 12 points is a disaster, no matter if you try to spin it as less than predicted. She probably got her arse kicked worse than other incumbent democrats this cycle and far worse than any other Senate incumbent. What other incumbent lost by 12 points?
To lose by 20 points would require she would get about ZERO white votes instead or the whopping 14 percent she seems to have gathered.
Anyone that refuses to vote for their candidate because a candidate they prefer tries to win the election by turning out their voters is a moron.
The stupidity in this forum is endless.
Any 18 year incumbent getting their arse stomped by 12 points is a disaster, no matter if you try to spin it as less than predicted. She probably got her arse kicked worse than other incumbent democrats this cycle and far worse than any other Senate incumbent. What other incumbent lost by 12 points?
To lose by 20 points would require she would get about ZERO white votes instead or the whopping 14 percent she seems to have gathered.
Anyone that refuses to vote for their candidate because a candidate they prefer tries to win the election by turning out their voters is a moron.
The stupidity in this forum is endless.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:24 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
She still lost by 12. That is big for a three term incumbent.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:43 am to prplhze2000
The spelling bee commercial was fantastic! My favorite this election cycle. Very effective too.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:44 am to dante
So you have a hard time believing that any white would vote for a Democrat?
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:55 am to Jim Rockford
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My conservative relatives hated, hated Cassidy's negative ads, especially the spelling bee one.
The spelling bed ad was one of the best ads I've ever seen.
It was surprising going to bed with Cassidy up in the 17, 18 point range and waking up with it around 55-44.
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