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re: What do some of you not understand about Brandon Harris??

Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:56 pm to
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:56 pm to
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But for now, personally, I'm going with the reason that the coaching staff, through hours and hours of evaluation have determined that Jennings - at this point in time - gives the team the best chance to win. And considering that it's their jobs on the line and not mine, I'm going to go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt because I think they've earned it through their record at LSU.


100% correct. This staff has determined that the statistically worst QB in 20 years is the best chance. They have determined he is better than 2 QB's that have transferred, I'm not arguing Rivers, and one of the most highly touted QB's in the country last year. All we are saying is we think they are wrong. Not sure why that causes such an uproar.
Posted by zsav77
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:01 pm to
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Jennings- at this point in time- gives the team the best chance to win


Then they have failed at recruiting, evaluating, training, or progressing their quarterbacks, because they are ill prepared considering how far they are into the season... and that tired "their young" excuse doesn't seem to apply to some teams, but sure does to LSU when it comes to young QBs. It would be one thing to make mistakes, but its been the same piss poor production save the second half of Wisconsin, and Harris at the end of Miss St. and the whole game against NM st.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 1:02 pm
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:02 pm to
Harris also played great in the Sam Houston game.
Posted by lsufanz
NOLA
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:03 pm to
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And so you reject it as a logical reason?
Yes, I tend to believe what I see although certainly concede that the coaching staff sees much more of these players and their abilities than do I.

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I have plenty more I could share

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I'm going with the reason that the coaching staff, through hours and hours of evaluation have determined that Jennings - at this point in time - gives the team the best chance to win.
Understood. There is, then, no point in discussing or questioning any of those decisions on a message board. After all, there's nothing else of the coaching staff's decisions that could be brought into question, right? Certainly you're aware that the coaching staff's decisions have been questioned by people with much more knowledge of the game than I or others on this board, right?

I'm not stupid enough to come on here and claim to know more about football or this team than our well compensated coaching staff. I own my opinions and said that I can't come up with a logical explanation of the lack of playing time since Auburn. Much of the explanations being offered beg the question of why he has seen the field at all this year and certainly why he would have been allowed to make his first ever start on the road at AU. Given the fact that this coaching staff made those decisions, the lack of playing time since baffles me.
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you want to believe it's punitive
Actually, I never said that, but was looking for a reason.
Posted by zsav77
Member since Oct 2011
6070 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:05 pm to
True. And Harris should play from now on. Jennings just doesn't have it.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:22 pm to
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But for now, personally, I'm going with the reason that the coaching staff, through hours and hours of evaluation have determined that Jennings - at this point in time - gives the team the best chance to win. And considering that it's their jobs on the line and not mine, I'm going to go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt because I think they've earned it through their record at LSU.


You're probably right.

I disagree with how the staff has handled QB recruiting, talent assessment and development, though. QB play is the problem more often than not, so it is fair to criticize their decision making.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2662 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:23 pm to
Well then how does that speak to Miles as a quarterback recruiter? Jennings not very good and Brandon worse? He never gives quarterbacks a shot and then they leave. Why would any good quarterback want to play under Les's antiquated system?
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:33 pm to
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True. And Harris should play from now on. Jennings just doesn't have it.


At least let them split series, especially if Jennings continues to struggle. Why not try something, anything, to generate an offensive spark? It's like he'd rather lose with Jennings than even give Harris a chance to rally the team. That's the same mentality we saw in the 21-0 loss to Bama on 1/9/12. He continues to send a struggling QB out there when he's clearly not effective. That's what kills confidence.

On a related note, you'd think that Joe Alleva would be in favor of some sort of shake up on offense to get the fans interested enough to purchase bowl tickets. As it stands now, I don't know a single person who's planning to go to Memphis or wherever to watch this shite show.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:39 pm to
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Actually, I never said that, but was looking for a reason.

Actually what you said was:

"Other than disciplinary action, I can't come up with any logical reason"

Disciplinary:
Synonyms: castigating, chastening, chastising, correcting, correctional, corrective, punitive...

But you actually seem like a more reasonable fellow, not one of the typical "Fire Miles!" mouth breathers on here that I've gotten so tired of.

Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:41 pm to
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All we are saying is we think they are wrong. Not sure why that causes such an uproar.

Me neither.

But I do find it strange that so few are willing to give the staff the benefit of the doubt after having earned it through victories, imo.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:47 pm to
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Then they have failed at recruiting, evaluating, training, or progressing their quarterbacks, because they are ill prepared considering how far they are into the season...

You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. It's hard to say they've failed at recruiting when they average the top 6 class over 10 years. Better than all but Bama.

They also can't force a kid to stay. If a player wants to transfer, the best thing is to let them go so that future recruit don't hold it against you.

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"their young" excuse doesn't seem to apply to some teams, but sure does to LSU when it comes to young QBs



Curiously, Louisiana isn't exactly known for producing big, intelligent pocket passers. But somehow we end up with outstanding play in the secondary and on the DL year after year.
Posted by zsav77
Member since Oct 2011
6070 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:52 pm to
Recruiting and progressing QBs has not been successful at LSU. Other than that, mostly stellar classes.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:52 pm to
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I disagree with how the staff has handled QB recruiting, talent assessment and development, though. QB play is the problem more often than not, so it is fair to criticize their decision making.

As I posted above, Louisiana just doesn't produce a lot of big, smart drop back QBs. Is it Miles' fault that Kiel didn't have the chest? Maybe. Is it Miles' fault that Rettig and Rivers transferred? Maybe. Is it Miles' fault that neither Rettig nor Rivers were good enough to beat out Harris or Jennings? Maybe. Is it Miles' fault that they couldn't transform Jennings into Joe Montana in the offseason? Probably not.

It's quite possible that Jennings, Harris, Rettig AND Rivers were all pretty much average QBs. And in the SECW, average doesn't cut it.
Posted by zsav77
Member since Oct 2011
6070 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:57 pm to
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It's quite possible Jennings, Harris, Rettig, AND Rivers were all pretty average QBs


That's three four star top 10 QBs in the nation and a three star. And they are all misses? Evaluation of QBs isn't this coaching staffs strong suit. No matter who the OC has been.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:00 pm to
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Recruiting and progressing QBs has not been successful at LSU.

How many programs have been as successful at recruiting and progressing QBs as LSU over Miles' tenure? More than half of the 128 teams in FBS? Or is it closer to about 12-15?

So given that LSU has problems in recruiting and developing QBs, is it any wonder that he employs an offensive system that de-emphasizes the QB position? The beauty of his system is - I mean besides winning a lot of games - is that when he DOES get a quality QB, he adjusts his system accordingly and utilizes the passing game proportionately more. Yet so many on the board want to ignore that fact. He had a QB who was good at the option, so he played more option. He then had a QB that was better at passing from the pocket, so he played that system. Now he's got a couple of young QBs that haven't shown to excel at any one thing YET, so he's playing the power run game. The guy makes adjustments, people don't want to realize it because their minds are already made up and they can't bring themselves to see what's actually going on.
Posted by SwampyLSU
Member since Aug 2014
1605 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:02 pm to
I'm sorry but if you never put Harris in how can he get experience and become game ready?

Idiots man I swear Jennings has had more than enough chances to prove himself and he's fallen short almost every time
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:07 pm to
these same excuses will be there again a year from now

"jennings is a junior QB signal caller, he gives this team the best chance at victory"
Posted by lsufanz
NOLA
Member since Dec 2008
4726 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:08 pm to
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"Other than disciplinary action, I can't come up with any logical reason"

Correct, which doesn't equate to
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you want to believe that it's punitive


I know what punitive means, was taking issue with the want.

I actually love Les, the man, just get a bit baffled and frustrated at Les the HC.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:17 pm to
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That's three four star top 10 QBs in the nation and a three star. And they are all misses? Evaluation of QBs isn't this coaching staffs strong suit. No matter who the OC has been.

Here are all of the QBs from Rivals' Louisiana Top 40s for 2011-2015:

2015: Jason Pellerin 3* Dual

2014: Glen Cuiellette 3* Pro
Donovan Isom 3* Dual
Brandon Harris 4* Dual

2013: Damian Williams 3* Pro

2012: NONE

2011: Theltus Cobbins 3* Dual
Dak Prescott 3* Dual
Zack Oliver 3* Pro

ONE four-star prospect, and Miles' landed him. Did he miss on his evaluation of Dak? Yes, but so did everyone else not named Dan Mullen.

There's a metric shite tonne of football talent in Louisiana, but very little of it at he QB position.

Rivers? A 4 star? That's based on his name.
Rettig? Yeah, maybe he goes to BC and becomes another Doug Flutie in the ACC. Remember what a great hall of fame QB he turned out to be?
Posted by GoRuckTiger
Bossie City
Member since Aug 2013
1459 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:19 pm to
The thing I can't understand is opposing teams are stacking the box with 8 to 9 defenders and Jennings still has trouble finding an open receiver or is totally off with his accuracy. Any decent QB should be able to complete 60% of his passes against those defenses. Jennings is having trouble completing 50%.

Nothing personally against the kid. He's doing the best he can possibly do but his best is not SEC caliber right now. Harris needs a chance at least and that means he shouldn't have to worry about getting yanked the minute he screws something up. God knows Jennings has been far from perfect and hasn't been pulled.
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