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Dennis Prager on why poverty does NOT cause crime
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:25 am
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:25 am
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My paternal grandparents were extremely poor immigrants from Russia. They lived in a small apartment in Brooklyn where they raised four children, none of whom, of course, ever had their own room. Moreover, my grandfather was a tailor, and as such made little during normal years, and next to nothing during the Great Depression.
They were considerably poorer than the vast majority of Americans who lived below the poverty line as it existed when I was in college and graduate school. And they would have regarded most of those designated poor today as middle class, if not rich by the standards of their day.
That is worth remembering whenever an American claims that violent crime in America is caused by poverty. The poor who commit murder, rape and robbery are not only not starving, they have far more material things than the word “poverty” suggests.
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According to a recent Census Bureau report, 80.9 percent of households below the poverty level have cellphones.
When the left talks about the poor, they don’t mention these statistics because what matters to the left is inequality, not poverty.
But that is another subject. Our subject is the question: Given these statistics, why do the poor who commit violent crime do so? Clearly it is not because they lack the basic necessities of life.
Now I didn’t know any of these statistics back in college and graduate school. So how did I know that “poverty causes crime” was a lie?
I thought about my grandparents, and I could not imagine my grandfather robbing anyone, let alone raping or murdering.
Why not? Because it was unimaginable. They were people whose values rendered such behaviors all but impossible.
But there was another reason.
I was as certain as one could be that if I were poor in America, I wouldn’t rob, rape or murder.
Which leads me to wonder about people who believe that “poverty causes crime.”
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Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:31 am to L.A.
It was easier to be truly impoverished when you were a first generation immigrant back then. The people who are impoverished now are so usually due to their penchant for poor choices. Those choices also include an increased likelihood of choosing to shortcut your way through theft, etc.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:34 am to L.A.
crime causes poverty. Stealing from others via government is a crime.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:35 am to L.A.
Poverty does not cause crime, lack of opportunity causes crime.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:46 am to L.A.
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My paternal grandparents were extremely poor immigrants from Russia. They lived in a small apartment in Brooklyn where they raised four children, none of whom, of course, ever had their own room. Moreover, my grandfather was a tailor, and as such made little during normal years, and next to nothing during the Great Depression. They were considerably poorer than the vast majority of Americans who lived below the poverty line as it existed when I was in college and graduate school. And they would have regarded most of those designated poor today as middle class, if not rich by the standards of their day.
The part that is blaringly omitted is that Prager's family was white. At that exact same time as when his grandparents were making good, black American citizens were being routinely terrorized by their own government and fellow citizens. Black American citizens were being intentionally denied the pursuits of the very same things that Prager's grandparents were able to take as givens. Hell, black Americans might not have even been allowed to live in that same small apartment in Brooklyn. And they didn't have the luxury of just melting into the population after 1 generation, as their black skin remained an obvious fact of life.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:32 pm to L.A.
I wish conservatives would abandon their commonly-held trope that people could succeed if they would only try really hard. That's going to work for some people in some situations...but the problem isn't the PEOPLE. The problem is the SYSTEM. It's a system that ENCOURAGES dependence, poverty, and hopelessness -- not by design, but that's what happens.
Poor people are not all "lazy." That's a bullshite argument. Some of them are, but many are simply behaving rationally in terms of maximizing what they have. They are avoiding the risky behavior of taking chances that could potentially yield great success or, alternatively, great failure. Some people will take these risks, and that's fine. But you're not going to get people to do so en masse by telling them to just work harder -- the system is the problem. Change the institution, and people will change their calculations.
Poor people are not all "lazy." That's a bullshite argument. Some of them are, but many are simply behaving rationally in terms of maximizing what they have. They are avoiding the risky behavior of taking chances that could potentially yield great success or, alternatively, great failure. Some people will take these risks, and that's fine. But you're not going to get people to do so en masse by telling them to just work harder -- the system is the problem. Change the institution, and people will change their calculations.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:52 pm to L.A.
quote:Kind of undermines Prager's Grandpa Boomer schtick when a cell phone is part of the "basic necessities of life," and not, let's say, rent, or food, or medical care.
According to a recent Census Bureau report, 80.9 percent of households below the poverty level have cellphones.
When the left talks about the poor, they don’t mention these statistics because what matters to the left is inequality, not poverty.
But that is another subject. Our subject is the question: Given these statistics, why do the poor who commit violent crime do so? Clearly it is not because they lack the basic necessities of life.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:33 pm to L.A.
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Which leads me to wonder about people who believe that “poverty causes crime.”
What causes crime from low income areas?
Lack of fatherhood.
Young people are influenced by their surroundings
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:52 pm to L.A.
He's right it's not that his community was poor, it's that Russians are criminal by nature. It's part of their culture.
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