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re: Why is it so difficult for LSU to develop a passing game?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:16 pm to BigBrod81
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:16 pm to BigBrod81
Malarkey. We are ten games into the season and the passing game is not getting any better.
It doesn't take a wizard to run this Miles/Cameron middle school crap. I think you've effectively called Harris an imbecile.
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what good is that talent on the field if he may only have 40-50% of the knowledge to run the offense effectively?
It doesn't take a wizard to run this Miles/Cameron middle school crap. I think you've effectively called Harris an imbecile.
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:18 pm to MFV
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Because with the exception of last year since 2008 les miles has refused to throw over the middle of the field. That's 1/3 of the field the defense essentially doesn't have to defend. It also appears to me the general philosophy is to give the qb one read and if it's not there take off.
We def threw over the middle in 2011
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:19 pm to lsu2006
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our offense was anywhere from very good to spectacular last year.
I'd sit on a chimney if I wanted smoke blown up my arse.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:22 pm to BigBrod81
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Cam Cameron runs a pro style offense where the QB's have to make pro style reads.
well if the scheme is so complicated maybe we should run something more like what the rest of college football and generally most NFL teams run. You only have college guys for 3 maybe 4 years these days anyway. If you spend 2 of them learning the system, what good is it. Even when all the stars aligned for it, like last year, an offense loaded with very experienced and very talented players, it wasn't bad but it wasn't great either. That was far from an average year last year as far as talent and experience goes.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:27 pm to boxcar willie
WTF is a "pro-style read", anyway, except a gobbledygook excuse for Cameron not earning his paycheck?
If your primary receiver is covered you progress through the others. That's not something exclusive to the pros. And it's something Auburn and A&M and 100 other teams with their "college-style reads" do better than LSU.
If your primary receiver is covered you progress through the others. That's not something exclusive to the pros. And it's something Auburn and A&M and 100 other teams with their "college-style reads" do better than LSU.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:27 pm to BigBrod81
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Then to everyone throwing Anthony Jennings under the bus, they need to realize that even after 2 years in the system, he hasn't completely gotten a grasp of it.
I think Jenning would look like a totally different and much better QB in another system. If he still hasn't gotten it after two years then what the hell are we doing here. Why are we running a system they can't grasp after 2 years in it. You don't get them for 10 years you know.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:28 pm to Rex
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WTF is a "pro-style read", anyway, except a gobbledygook excuse for Cameron not earning his
good call Rex
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:39 pm to Rex
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It doesn't take a wizard to run this Miles/Cameron middle school crap. I think you've effectively called Harris an imbecile
I'm sorry your small brain can't allow you to see that the offense has been scaled down from 2013 to this season because of the inexperience at our skill positions. Cam Cameron is not running any of the deep curl or in routes we saw Landry & Beckham run last season. It's obvious they don't trust the QB & the receivers to run them correctly. So in order to limit potential turnovers, certain routes & areas of the field aren't being worked. When the players show signs of being able to handle that aspect of the offense, Cam is will open up to using those routes. Until then, get used to seeing ground & pound.
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:44 pm to BigBrod81
I don't think people realize how many option routes we ran last season.
Beckham was an absolute master of the route tree and knew how to read a defense perfectly.
That Landry wasn't too shabby either
Then you have to have a QB who also understands those options. Even some NFL vets have difficulty with it. Henderson or Brees made a mistake on one in the playoff game@ SF that resulted in an int
Beckham was an absolute master of the route tree and knew how to read a defense perfectly.
That Landry wasn't too shabby either
Then you have to have a QB who also understands those options. Even some NFL vets have difficulty with it. Henderson or Brees made a mistake on one in the playoff game@ SF that resulted in an int
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:45 pm to Weaver
Really and truly... They shouldn't even consider it a pro style offense anymore since very few pro teams line up in that fashion.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:48 pm to Rex
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WTF is a "pro-style read
How the frick did you get that, from this
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Cam Cameron runs a pro style offense where the QB's have to make pro style reads.
First off your comprehension sucks. Secondly a QB's reads differ in different offensive philosophies. LSU runs a pro style offense so our QBs & receivers make pro style reads at the line of scrimmage before the snap of the ball.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:49 pm to boxcar willie
Don't forget the guy that wasnt good enough to see the field for us but good enough to see it for the Bengals, James wright 
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:49 pm to TigerBait1127
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I don't think people realize how many option routes we ran last season.
They really don't. This place is a cesspool of stupid at times.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:51 pm to Sterling Archer
Wright is a special teams guy, just like he was at LSU.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:59 pm to boxcar willie
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well if the scheme is so complicated maybe we should run something more like what the rest of college football and generally most NFL teams run.
We run a pro style offense because we used the aspect of getting recruits to the NFL as a selling. What better way to get offensive players NFL ready then a pro style offense?
Even when you have a transition of younger players the philosophy of being able to run the football in combination with the type of backs that are recruited allow for the staff to lean on ground game to win games.
One major thing all you idiots are overlooking above these spread offensive teams, is that many suck defensively. When your defense isn't practicing against a physical offense at practice, it tends to make the defense soft.
Guess who else runs a pro style offense. Alabama. There's a reason LSU & Alabama puts so many players in the pros. Not only do they attract top high school talent but by running pro style offenses, they put out offensive players who are more pro ready than players coming out of spread offenses.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:01 pm to TigerBait1127
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Wright is a special teams guy, just like he was at LSU.
We all support Wright because he is a Tiger but these clowns are acting like he is Sammy Watkins, Kelvin Benjamin or Brandin Cooks as a rookie.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:12 pm to boxcar willie
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yeah it was ok. We finished middle of the pack in the SEC statiscally with two NFL WR's and a NFL QB. Not bad I suppose.
From Moscona's show yesterday: 5 of the best 9 seasons in LSU history throwing the ball, statistically speaking, have been under Miles.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:17 pm to boxcar willie
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yeah it was ok. We finished middle of the pack in the SEC statiscally with two NFL WR's and a NFL QB. Not bad I suppose.
Offenses are ridiculous now. Our stats last year would have put us in the top 3 of the SEC five years ago.
Passing 2013
TAMU - 489 passes 4590 yards 40 TDs
UGA - 456 passes 4090 yards 31 TDs
Ole Miss - 490 passes 3680 yards 24 TDs
Mizzu - 454 passes 3540 yards 31 TDs
USCe - 383 passes 3300 yards 30 TDs
LSU - 326 passes 3260 yards 23 TDs
Bama - 365 passes 3230 yards 30 TDs
Passing 2008
UGA - 400 passes 3620 yards 27 TDs
Arky - 443 passes 3120 yards 19 TDs
UF - 329 passes 3000 yards 33 TDs
USCe - 452 passes 2890 yards 20 TDs
Ole Miss - 340 passes 2880 yards 27 TDs
LSU - 390 passes 2620 yards 21 TDs
These are the top half teams of those seasons. LSU was 6th in yards, and 7th in TDs. In 2008, with 2013's #s, LSU would be 2nd in yards, and 4th in TDs. For rushing, LSU was 4th last year in yards (2630) and 2nd in TDs (37). That would have put us 2nd in both categories in 2008. If you go total offense and scoring offense, LSU was 7th (453.3 ypg) and 6th (35.8 ppg) respectively in 2013. Those same numbers would be 1st and 2nd respectively in 2008.
So I don't consider what they did last year as middle of the pack. I consider last year as a ridiculous uptick in passing and part of it, is having teams like Mizzu and TAMU enter the ranks.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:19 pm to boxcar willie
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we finished 7th out of 14 teams in total offense also. That's a team with NFL WR's, QB, and RB. It may have been a record setting passing offense for LSU but it was very middle of the pack compared to the rest of the SEC. The myth that the passing game was great last year is simply a myth. Any other OC in the SEC could have had a real banner year with that offense.
You are a moron. Not taking into consideration how ridiculous offenses are now.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:26 pm to boxcar willie
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check the stats dude. The passing game looked great for us because of what we have become accustomed to. We finished 5th in rushing offense, 6th in passing offense, and 7th in total offense.
Look, I agree with your other stuff, but you keep babbling stupid shite about 2013 is hurting my head. That was by no means average.
We were 23rd in scoring offense, 29th in rush offense, 45th in pass offense, and 35th in total offense.
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