BAMA vs. Adams

Adams was not pulling the guys leg off before being pushed back.

Karma deciding referee decisions in a football game. Seems legit.

On that specific play there wasn't much shoving. All game long there was lots of it though. The guy grabbed his leg and was pulling on it and he pushed him off. Should have been off setting.

It isn't the same. Adams never made contact with the player after the play. It's not the flop people are mad about. It is the fact stuff like this went on all game and they decide to call it then. When in fact it should have been off setting. Now if Adams ever retaliated, I would agree. He never did so there was never a chance for off setting penalties.

quote:

---

On that specific play there wasn't much shoving.

---

That's incorrect...there was a ton of shoving. BAMA was pissed and the first person shoving was #90 Reed on their DL. He first shoved Pocic in the facemask and then harder in the chest...which touched of the back and forth. The last two things that happened were Vadal being pulled and then him shoving the guy pulling him.

I didn't see any of the specifics at the game, mind you, and I was pissed and assumed Vadal must have thrown a punch or done something stupid to have been the one in the scrum that was singled out. As it turns out, there were very specific things that happened and literally the least of it was Vadal. Given the facial expression of the official that threw the flag, something about Vadal's action seemed to piss him off.

That's why I'm asking for the video of the whole exchange, because quite a bit more happened on that play than just Alexander's shove. I've explained it in detail, but it's easier to see the video.

quote:

---

Should have been off setting.

---

At worst. At best, level headed officials would have come in, told everyone to, in my best Saban voice, "CALM THE frick DOWN!!" and got on with second down.

quote:

---

You cant have it both ways. Happy when Adams does it and pissed when the other team does.

---

Again...I have no feelings at all towards the flop. It's gamesmanship and if it works, fine by me.

My issue is that there was plenty enough to have thrown off setting flags on that play long before Vadal pushes his man off. If they were going to throw and individual flag by that point, Vadal would have needed to punch a guy to have been singled out.

quote:

---

I thought when admas did it that is was lame.

---

I tend to agree, but I wasn't lauding one and blasting another. Baiting a guy into losing his cool is one thing...flopping another. like I said, I have no issue at all with the BAMA player doing it...it's not my problem with the play.

quote:

---

There was so much shoving on that play that it gave the impression of premeditation.

---

Possible, but more than likely it was just straight up frustration in BAMA's case. After all, they were on the field desperately trying to stop LSU from stabbing them in the heart after their guy fumbled away their chance at driving for the win putting LSU on the doorstep.

I was kind of stunned the crew didn't step in earlier and stop all the horseshite between Reed and Pocic earlier, but no one did. when it finally spread to Alexander and his man, there was nothing egregious enough one would have thought to have thrown it then if none had been throw just prior.

I can;t convert the TiVo file I have or otherwise I'd try and post it...but I think it's pretty interesting. Hopefully someone has the whole play.

And for the record, still talking about it now will, in no way, effect the outcome of the game. Call it cathartic, since even if we had been systematically hosed, our only recourse would be to bring our issues to the head of officials at the SEC, who happens to be an alumnus of UA...and it seems pretty apparent that we're not going to accomplish anything going that route.

quote:

---

Just search on youtube "Bama LSU 2014 1 hour"

---

Perfect...that'll work.

LINK

Ok...as Magee goes into the line, Pocic gets a hand slammed to his face by #90 Reed. He then pulls back and two hand shoves Pocic in the chest as Magee is essentially on the ground. Pocic comes back and slams #33 of Bama who's standing around. As the whistles finally blow, #33 shoves Pocic in return.

As the whistles continue to be blown, BAMA's #47 comes in and pushes Dillon Gordon #85 right n front of the back judge who will a couple of seconds later throw the flag on Vadal. Gordon shoves back and that official addresses Gordon.

Right after as whitles continue to blow, BAMA's #85 Robinson grabs Vadal's leg and begins to pull...and Alexander turns and shoves him off.

The back judge, just then looking up from Gordon sees the BAMA player flailing back and he throws his flag.

LINK

This is a slow motion of the play from the end zone camera. I only post this one because I find the expression on the back judge's face, well...I don't know. But it seems a bit odd to me.

My point to this is that I get that it's become a cliche that the last guy is always the only flagged...but this wasn't a two person deal. both teams, for nearly 5 seconds of whistle blowing were shoving. there was no reason to single out Alexander without him having dome something above and beyond everyone else. and given BAMA's Reed had already gotten away with a shiv to Pocic's grill on the play, Alexander ought to have had to go pretty damn far to draw that flag at that point.

Thanks for the link - first time I have seen the full replay.

Total incompetence (or cheating) from the officials. As clearly offsetting as I have ever seen. Just unbelievable.

After the flag though, it looked like Miles was yelling at Vadal immediately instead of raising holy hell that there wasn't an offsetting.