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Someone Explain to me what a Black Hole is..
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:22 am
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:22 am
Had it explained to me this way: "Picture a trampoline and on this trampoline are many bowling balls of different sizes (acting as planets). Naturally, they would all roll toward the middle and the trampoline would sink...well that's what a black hole is."
wtf?
Bonus question: is there any point or object in space that isn't moving (having no momentum)?
wtf?
Bonus question: is there any point or object in space that isn't moving (having no momentum)?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:24 am to RadBro
a dozen possible jokes, I am making none of them
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:26 am to RadBro
ELI5 Black Holes
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When you have some stuff, it attracts other stuff -- something we usually call gravity; the most obvious example is when you jump and are tugged back down to Earth. One neat caveat of gravity is that it grows stronger when dealing with more massive stuff (i.e. things with more mass). Gravity tends to compact things tighter and tighter together, which usually ends up being round (that's why planets tend to be spherical!). Anyways, imagine you have a lot of stuff in space. Gravity pulls more stuff towards it, and so you end up having even more stuff which thus attracts even more -- all being compacted into a small space. Black holes are places with so much stuff in such a compact place that gravity doesn't let anything escape the area -- not even light! Black holes are usually formed by something called gravitational collapse, much like what I described earlier. Some scientists think black holes might possibly be created using high-energy particle accelerators like the CERN lab in Switzerland, but it's mostly speculation.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:26 am to RadBro
You just saw Interstellar, didn't you?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:35 am to RadBro
The only conceivable point in our universe that would have 0 momentum, would be the center of the Universe, as all matter expanded outwards around it. Since our universe has no center, the logical answer would seem to be no. I'd imagine though that if you searched long enough you could find some literature to refute that.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:38 am to RadBro
You see, Timmy, when God created the Universe 6000 years ago...
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:43 am to RadBro
I think they prefer to be called African American holes. I could be wrong though ...
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:54 am to RadBro
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"Picture a trampoline and on this trampoline are many bowling balls of different sizes (acting as planets). Naturally, they would all roll toward the middle and the trampoline would sink...well that's what a black hole is."
Bad explanation, but I kinda see where they were trying to go.
To understand a black hole you need to understand a few things.
1. matter is attracted to other matter.. that's what gravity is. We stick to the earth cause the matter in our bodies is attracted to the matter in the earth.
2. as you pile more and more matter on top it packs the atoms at the bottom tighter and tighter together, think of being squished at the bottom of a dog pile
3. The matter at the bottom is under pressure and gets packed tighter and tighter together, so it takes up less space eventhough it weighs the same amount as it did when it took up less space. That extreme pressure and tight packing of atoms creates heat... that's why the center of planets are molten lava. If you have enough matter and enough pressure, fusion begins... the sun is basically just a really big fricking planet that had enough matter and pressure for fusion to begin... Jupiter was almost a sun.
Now, let's move on to stars/suns...
1. All that heat and energy makes the stars want to expand and try to get bigger, but all the matter being attracted to other matter makes the stars want to stay together. Depending on the size of those stars certain things can happen
2. If they are smaller ones like our sun... as the fuel burns out they will eventually get much bigger but cooler, and engergy pushing the particles away from each other will be stronger than those attracting them together and most of it will eventually move away, but still leave some to collect into a very very dense but small star (a white dwarf) imagine something that weighs as much as a bowling ball but is the size of atom. that's kinda what a white dwarf is like scaled up.
3. If the star is really big, it will eventually explode in what is known as a supernova. But will retain/attract back enough of the matter that the white dwarf in this case is even more dense... so much so that the matter is packed so tightly together and has so much gravity that it becomes like a bowling ball the size of nothing. It has so much gravity that nothing within a certain distant can help being sucked into it, even light (which acts both as a particle.. i.e. matter and wave) ... Yes, even light has a mass and gravity... kinda, in a way.
Anyway, at this point you have a black hole, it has so much mass and gravity it just crushes everything together so tightly into a spot that takes up no space whatsoever. And the more it takes in the heavier and more dense it gets without getting any bigger.. that spot is known as the singularity.
Now... that's pretty much the way black holes work and what they are... there is a whole other level when you start into the way they effect time and space.. wormholes, other dimensions, time travel, etc.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 1:30 am
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:57 am to NATidefan
One sentence summary? A region of space containing matter in which weak-arse gravity has overcome all repulsive forces.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:59 am to RadBro
That explanation seems more like the fabric of spacetime, not necessarily blackholes.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 1:00 am to Spock's Eyebrow
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One sentence summary? A region of space containing matter in which weak-arse gravity has overcome all repulsive forces.
Pretty much.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 1:03 am to NATidefan
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NATideFan
You are the motherfricking man.
I also read that Mass warps time. What in the hell does this mean?
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 1:06 am
Posted on 11/7/14 at 1:07 am to RadBro
Whats your email? Ill forward you the pics of paiges vag
Posted on 11/7/14 at 1:14 am to RadBro
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I also read that Mass warps time. What in the hell does this mean?
that's when it starts getting really confusing.
that is breaking into Einstein/Hawking like stuff.
I would recommend getting on netflix or youtube and watching a documentary by stephen hawkings on black holes... there used to be a really good one involving homer simpson.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 1:15 am
Posted on 11/7/14 at 1:23 am to RadBro
Dude you are all over with these questions...you are touching on the core of Euclidean space vs Minkowski space-time, theory of relativity etc.
Euclidean is our ordinary understanding of the universe wherein gravity bends light, while Minkowski states that the path a beam of light takes, is a straight line (even if we observe it to be bent) Under Euclidean understanding we state that gravity is an attractive force between all things in the universe, which is always acting on any object that occupies a space in time. Without going to far in Einstein theory of relativity, a super massive object bends space-time (not just space) around itself. The more massive an object, the greater effect it will have on its surroundings both visible and non.
This picture shows an experiment that was crucial to helping prove relativity. It is showing astronomers from Earth observing light that is behind the Sun. The Sun's effect on light (from its mass) is such that it bent the light from the star around itself allowing us to view it from Earth. It is an objects incredible mass that is responsible for this warping of space-time.
Euclidean is our ordinary understanding of the universe wherein gravity bends light, while Minkowski states that the path a beam of light takes, is a straight line (even if we observe it to be bent) Under Euclidean understanding we state that gravity is an attractive force between all things in the universe, which is always acting on any object that occupies a space in time. Without going to far in Einstein theory of relativity, a super massive object bends space-time (not just space) around itself. The more massive an object, the greater effect it will have on its surroundings both visible and non.
This picture shows an experiment that was crucial to helping prove relativity. It is showing astronomers from Earth observing light that is behind the Sun. The Sun's effect on light (from its mass) is such that it bent the light from the star around itself allowing us to view it from Earth. It is an objects incredible mass that is responsible for this warping of space-time.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 1:28 am to RadBro
I just saw interstellar and they're pretty damn impressive
Posted on 11/7/14 at 1:30 am to MrBobDobalina
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Euclidean is our ordinary understanding of the universe wherein gravity bends light, while Minkowski states that the path a beam of light takes, is a straight line (even if we observe it to be bent) Under Euclidean understanding we state that gravity is an attractive force between all things in the universe, which is always acting on any object that occupies a space in time. Without going to far in Einstein theory of relativity, a super massive object bends space-time (not just space) around itself. The more massive an object, the greater effect it will have on its surroundings both visible and non.
This picture shows an experiment that was crucial to helping prove relativity. It is showing astronomers from Earth observing light that is behind the Sun. The Sun's effect on light (from its mass) is such that it bent the light from the star around itself allowing us to view it from Earth. It is an objects incredible mass that is responsible for this warping of space-time.
Now explain it like I'm 5 years old.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 1:37 am to GRTiger
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Now explain it like I'm 5 years old.
Superman can time travel cause he can fly faster than the speed of light.
But it's all relative.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 1:39 am
Posted on 11/7/14 at 1:45 am to GRTiger
Hmm I'll try... everything that ever has been, is affected by gravity. Bigger things have more effect than smaller things. And black holes are where all the monsters live
I think a 5 year old may have more important things to worry about than relativity. i.e. naptime, cooties etc
The question in a sense asks to explain the cause of gravity, of which there is currently no widely accepted theory. Not to say Bro's question is unanswerable; Einstein was tasked with summing up his theory into one sentence:
"Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter. (Albert Einstein)"
Chew on that one.
I think a 5 year old may have more important things to worry about than relativity. i.e. naptime, cooties etc
The question in a sense asks to explain the cause of gravity, of which there is currently no widely accepted theory. Not to say Bro's question is unanswerable; Einstein was tasked with summing up his theory into one sentence:
"Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter. (Albert Einstein)"
Chew on that one.
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