re: Almost 28 months later: TDKR vs The Avengers revisited

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It does when the dialogue is as dumbed down and the story as formulaic as the Marvel movies tend to be.

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To each his own. Again, MU movies aren't hiding the fact that they are comic books at all.

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Just don't tell me that it's just as good or better of a film than TDKR because it isn't (and I'll be the first to admit that movies shortcomings as well).

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It all depends on your point of reference. As an event? Few movies are better for some people. As a true to life comic book movie? Maybe Superman: The Movie is better, that's about it. As a Film, capital F, yeah it's probably mediocre. Again, it all depends on perspective. If you really want to try and view Avengers as an Oscar contender, sure it's going to let you down.

And as its relation to TDKR, well again, it depends on where you come from. As a Film, TDKR is far worse than Avengers. It's a mess of a Film. As a conclusion to a trilogy? Also kind of bad. As a comic book film, Eh not bad. Is it better than most theater fare? Sure.

While I'd readily admit TDK and probably even BB are better overall than Avengers (although as comic book films, no), TDKR was just bad. There's just no other way to look at it. The final "street fight" alone makes it nearly laughable. I know proponents want to look past that, and argue that it's "the background," but that's REALLY hard to do while calling it a good film.

If a scene like that were in any MCU film, people would slam it. Big time.

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MU ain't Ulysses bro

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Of course it isn't. The point is, simplicity can be powerful. If you would agree that your outlook on Marvel films is correct, the fact that these "simple" films can incite huge passion outside of it's major fanbase is pretty telling.