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re: Have we talked about the squib kick from our own 20 with 44 seconds left?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:17 am to OceanMan
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:17 am to OceanMan
quote:Here is Uks alignment. You have your standard front line at about the 30 yard line, 10 yards from the ball. You then have your second line about 30 yards behind that at their 40 yard line
Look at UKs alignment, there front line is staggered on the kickoff. Its certainly a different alignment than would typically occur because the back man would have to drop back further to field a kick that would be in play. They don't want to have a huge gap between the upmen and the returner, or the returner is doomed with 11 guys with a full head of steam.
Here is our standard alignment. You have our front line at the 45 yard line, 10 yards from the ball. You then have our second line about 30 yards from that at our 25 yard line
Here is your humble pie for being so damn condescending
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:19 am to OceanMan
quote:I have no problem about you differing on the opinion on the call, as that is normal. But the argument was"I have no clue how we have such dumb fricks who cant understand that the Kentucky KO return formation is spread much wider". Show me where and why a formation would be "spread wider" due to kicking off from the 20
However, your primary argument centers around the assertion that it was a bad play call fr a strategic standpoint. I simply do not agree, so see my other posts. You didn't even know the score at the time of the play, which means that your judgement on the merits of the play call are not affected by the score of the game.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 11:21 am
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:22 am to lsupride87
quote:Even the video does not show the deep men.
Here is Uks alignment.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:23 am to AlxTgr
quote:The deep man has no bearing on the formation being "spread wider".
Even the video does not show the deep men.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:24 am to lsupride87
The deep men have lot to do with them being spread deeper. Here is what he said,
quote:
The return men usually are positioned at the goal line, as they are protected by the 10 yard space behind them, as they will not be hurt if the kicker kicks over there head. They have to back up a bit further than the goal line.
Look at UKs alignment, there front line is staggered on the kickoff. Its certainly a different alignment than would typically occur because the back man would have to drop back further to field a kick that would be in play. They don't want to have a huge gap between the upmen and the returner, or the returner is doomed with 11 guys with a full head of steam.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 11:27 am
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:27 am to AlxTgr
quote:Well, lets debunk that too. Here is a picture showing the deep men standing at about the 15 yard line, 15 yards up from normal keepthing the formation the exact same for depth and width
The deep men have lot to do with them being spread deeper.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:27 am to lsupride87
quote:
Their formation is the exact same.
Bingo. It's because no competent special teams coach would have expected something so unwise.
The Les defenders are pulling crap out of their patookas. Extra spacing?
A squib doesn't reach behind the deep guys, anyway. Under ideal fortuitous circumstances... i.e. a Kentucky brain fart... the ball only reached the 37.... which means if it had been kicked from the 35 it would have reached the 22. If that were a typical result of a squib EVERY KICKOFF would be a squib.
With 10 seconds left you squib it from the 20. Not with 44.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:29 am to Rex
quote:This too, but I decided to post every picture just to prove the formation was actually the exact same. I dont mind having differing opinion like Alxtiger, but I hate when this board goes to calling people "dumb fricks", especially when they are in fact wrong
The Les defenders are pulling crap out of their patookas. Extra spacing? A squib doesn't reach behind the deep guys, anyway.
Under ideal fortuitous circumstances... i.e. a Kentucky brain fart... the ball only reached the 37.... which means if it had been kicked from the 35 it would have reached the 22. If that were a typical result of a squib EVERY KICKOFF would be a squib.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:35 am to lsupride87
quote:
Here is our standard alignment. You have our front line at the 45 yard line, 10 yards from the ball. You then have our second line about 30 yards from that at our 25 yard line
First of all, our formation is clearly different than theirs, so not a great comparison. Second, if you are saying that the first and second lines have the same spacing regardless of field position, then that leaves a larger space to cover for the return man, which is the hole that the ball wound up in, between the last 2 lines. There is more space, regardless of how the teams are lined up.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:35 am to Rex
That was an obvious mishit...
You are an obvious troll
You are an obvious troll
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:37 am to OceanMan
quote:Incorrect. Their second line was at the 40 and their return men are at the 15. 25 yards of spacing. Standard formation shows second line at 25 return men on goal line. 25 yards of spacing. The kicker isnt going to kick it over the returners heads without them being able for them to easily get it.
then that leaves a larger space to cover for the return man, which is the hole that the ball wound up in, between the last 2 lines. There is more space, regardless of how the teams are lined up.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 11:38 am
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:38 am to lsupride87
quote:But you're on the same side as Rex......
This too, but I decided to post every picture just to prove the formation was actually the exact same. I dont mind having differing opinion like Alxtiger, but I hate when this board goes to calling people "dumb fricks", especially when they are in fact wrong
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:38 am to AlxTgr
quote:Politically, that would terrify me
But you're on the same side as Rex
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:42 am to Rex
quote:
With 10 seconds left you squib it from the 20. Not with 44.
You are such a dipshit.
Forget field position. He didn't want to allow a return, and wanted to put it in a space that we had a chance to get it. It worked.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:44 am to OceanMan
quote:I disagree 110% that he thought this was a possibility
and wanted to put it in a space that we had a chance to get it
quote:And there you go again. We already found out who the dumb frick is
You are such a dipshit
Just argue your point like an adult. The rant is becoming unbearable This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 11:46 am
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:53 am to dgnx6
It was a squib kick that went short, alls well that ends well !
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:53 am to lsupride87
quote:
but I hate when this board goes to calling people "dumb fricks",
Dude, am I going crazy or are you not the first person to use this term, when someone said there is more space to cover.
There is objectively more space to cover with the ball back 15 yards. If everyone is just up 15 yards, there is more area for the returners to cover.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:54 am to OceanMan
quote:No, I wasnt. It was LSUgroupee
Dude, am I going crazy or are you not the first person to use this term, when someone said there is more space to cover.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:55 am to OceanMan
quote:Yeh, over their heads which has absolutely 0.000000% baring on anythin
there is more area for the returners to cover.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:59 am to lsupride87
If you cant see the different spacing of Kentucky players in those two formations, you are blind.
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