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re: Superman Was Too Powerful to be Interesting in Man of Steel

Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by TygerTyger
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:08 pm to
I've read every post here and I have really enjoyed the differing opinions.

I so old I saw Supreman! The Motion Picture at the Broadmoore Twin in Baton Rouge opening night. As a kid walking out of there, I believed a man could fly. I've read comics as far back as I can remember. I started with DC, and as I matured, I leaned more towards Marvel. My favorite titles were X-Men, Daredevil, and Spider-Man.

I actually liked large parts of Superman Returns. The part where he is attempting to save the airliner may be the best portrayal of how I think Superman's flight would look. It's epic.

I was disappointed with certain portions of Man of Steel. The main issue I had was with him killing Zod at the end. One of the things that makes Superman a Hero is that he DOES have near omnipotence, and yet he chooses to hold himself back. He always finds another way. There's no way Superman would have held a running battle in the heart of Metropolis like that. He would have done everything he could to lure Zod out to some wasteland like a desert or Antartica or something. He certainly wouldn't have carelessly used skyscrapers full of people as part of the fight. (For those that reference the cartoons here, those are written for children, MoS went out of it's way to be more "adult" with it's dark serious tones). And Superman would have found another solution besides killing Zod. My friend and I were discussing this and in just a few minutes of back and forth I came up with a much better ending. Zod wanted to bring back the Kryptonian race. He was pissed because Kal-El had the Codex and that prevented him from doing what he was bred to do, to fight for, protect, and promote his race. During the story Zod talks about finding dead and abandoned scout ships all over the galaxy. All other Kryptonians are supposedly dead. Why not have Superman uncover a clue that there may be another lost colony out there somewhere. As Superman beats Zod to the point of having "won", with Zod now threatening to eyelazer some innocents because he feels his purpose for living is over and WANTS Superman to kill him, Superman uses his intellect and reason, not brute strength to convince Zod that he still has a reason to exist. He can use these new super powers to go out and find the last Kryptonian outpost.

He doesn't have to kill, he's above that. He is the ideal, and THAT'S what makes him Superman, not the physical powers. And he learned those ideals and morals from Paw fricking Kent, not Jor-El dammit.
Posted by Ducyborg
Denver, CO
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:21 pm to
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Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:27 pm to
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I was disappointed with certain portions of Man of Steel. The main issue I had was with him killing Zod at the end. One of the things that makes Superman a Hero is that he DOES have near omnipotence, and yet he chooses to hold himself back. He always finds another way. There's no way Superman would have held a running battle in the heart of Metropolis like that. He would have done everything he could to lure Zod out to some wasteland like a desert or Antartica or something. He certainly wouldn't have carelessly used skyscrapers full of people as part of the fight. (For those that reference the cartoons here, those are written for children, MoS went out of it's way to be more "adult" with it's dark serious tones). And Superman would have found another solution besides killing Zod. My friend and I were discussing this and in just a few minutes of back and forth I came up with a much better ending. Zod wanted to bring back the Kryptonian race. He was pissed because Kal-El had the Codex and that prevented him from doing what he was bred to do, to fight for, protect, and promote his race. During the story Zod talks about finding dead and abandoned scout ships all over the galaxy. All other Kryptonians are supposedly dead. Why not have Superman uncover a clue that there may be another lost colony out there somewhere. As Superman beats Zod to the point of having "won", with Zod now threatening to eyelazer some innocents because he feels his purpose for living is over and WANTS Superman to kill him, Superman uses his intellect and reason, not brute strength to convince Zod that he still has a reason to exist. He can use these new super powers to go out and find the last Kryptonian outpost.


This case has been made, and I certainly see the point. The flip side of it has been that what we saw in this movie was NOT REALLY the Superman you describe...not a fully formed, mature Superman.

What we saw was a guy that days before found out his full origin. Who only days before FINALLY tried to harness his actual power after hiding it his whole life following Paw Kent's orders. Who NEVER EVER before throwing a punch in those fights we saw ever once was in any physical altercation with anyone for fear of breaking them.

Unlike Reeves in the first Superman who spent TWELVE YEARS becoming Superman under the tutelage of Jor El in the Fortress of Solitude emerging fully as Superman, this Superman had literally no clue what he was doing. No sooner did we see him learn how to fly did we see Zod's ship orbit the moon.

My point here is that given the way they set the movie up, what he did was PRECISELY in line with what you'd expect THIS Superman...the one who was essentially a baby first putting on the cape...to do when faced with his first real test. And this wasn't some bank robber...it was a slew of other Kryptonians that were in the process of terraforming Earth. Yes...if the Supes we know as the fully formed one had been faced with this, he likely would have found another way. This just wasn't that guy.

If the argument is that you'd have preferred that guy, I can see how some certainly would. But I've never understood being mad at what he did given we ought to have seen it coming based on the previous 1:45 minutes of film leading up to it.

He won...barely...and did it ugly. I'd expect when we get to the next movie, he'll have gotten better and be far closer to who you want to see.
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 4:57 pm to
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I so old I saw Superman! The Motion Picture at the Broadmoor Twin in Baton Rouge opening night. As a kid walking out of there, I believed a man could fly.
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I was disappointed with certain portions of Man of Steel. The main issue I had was with him killing Zod at the end. One of the things that makes Superman a Hero is that he DOES have near omnipotence, and yet he chooses to hold himself back
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He doesn't have to kill, he's above that. He is the ideal, and THAT'S what makes him Superman, not the physical powers.


Totally right. Remember when Superman negotiated a treaty with Zod at the end of Superman II?


of course not He threw a now powerless Zod to his death.


Superman kills and has always killed...and just for the record, from Kal-El's pov there certainly wasn't a feeling of victory.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 4:58 pm
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