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re: Watching JFK: The Smoking Gun
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:28 am to dpd901
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:28 am to dpd901
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In over 50 years, not a single credible witness has come forward lending credence to a conspiracy to kill Kennedy. Not one. In the same time, many top secret government operations have all been revealed.
So why did the the House Select Committee find that Kennedy's death was "probably" part of a conspiracy? Obviously, there was enough evidence (even without witnesses) to find it was more probable than not that a conspiracy took place.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 8:45 am
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:33 am to Bluefin
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That is by far the best, and most convincing, documentary/special on the JFK assassination. I don't see how any of their findings can be disputed.
I agree the the documentary was well done, but you can see how their findings could be disputed given that they did not have access to all the information (because no one not in the government does at this time). Also, the House Select Committee came to a different conclusion. So you should be able to see how their finding "could" be disputed even if you disagree. I think reasonable minds can disagree on this issue.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:43 am to dpd901
quote:The United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) was established in 1976 to investigate the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr.. The Committee completed its investigation in 1978 and issued its final report the following year, concluding that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.
In over 50 years, not a single credible witness has come forward lending credence to a conspiracy to kill Kennedy. Not one.
In 1992, Congress passed legislation to collect and open up all the evidence relating to Kennedy's death, and created the Assassination Records Review Board to further that goal. No materials have been uncovered which significantly change the conclusions or opinion of the HSCA.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:50 am to therick711
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So why did the the House Select Committee find that Kennedy's death was "probably" part of a conspiracy? Obviously, there was enough evidence (even without witnesses) to find it was more probably than not that a conspiracy took place.
The House Select Committee originally agreed with the Warren Commission. At the end of the hearings, they were presented with Acoustic evidence regarding a motorcycle officers open Mike supposedly picking up the sound of a fourth shot coming from the area of the grassy knoll. Based completely on that evidence alone, the committee reversed it's findings and concluded that the assassination was likely the result of a conspiracy. This evidence was contingent on the officer being in a precise location at the time of the shot. In the years since, it has been conclusively proven that the officer was not at that spot and in fact wasn't even in Dealy plaza at the time.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:53 am to TX Tiger
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In 1992, Congress passed legislation to collect and open up all the evidence relating to Kennedy's death, and created the Assassination Records Review Board to further that goal. No materials have been uncovered which significantly change the conclusions or opinion of the HSCA.
That's simply not true... Evidence has been uncovered that debunks the basis of the HSCA's conclusion.
The rest of your statement makes zero sense... The HSCA wouldn't have been reconvened to give a new conclusion 15 years later...
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:54 am to dpd901
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The House Select Committee originally agreed with the Warren Commission. At the end of the hearings, they were presented with Acoustic evidence regarding a motorcycle officers open Mike supposedly picking up the sound of a fourth shot coming from the area of the grassy knoll. Based completely on that evidence alone, the committee reversed it's findings and concluded that the assassination was likely the result of a conspiracy. This evidence was contingent on the officer being in a precise location at the time of the shot. In the years since, it has been conclusively proven that the officer was not at that spot and in fact wasn't even in Dealy plaza at the time.
That is not the sole basis for the conclusion that there was a probable conspiracy. What you are saying is partly correct for sure though. The commission suspected two gunmen, but it also indicated it did not know how far the conspiracy went, meaning that Oswald could have acted alone and still received support sufficient to trigger a conspiracy from some other group, the commissions suspicion would be some individuals in organized crime.
Also, the acoustic evidence has not been completely debunked. It has been disputed. Again reasonable minds can disagree, and the original researchers appear to still stand by their analysis.
The real point is that it still could have been a conspiracy with Oswald being the only shooter.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 9:09 am
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:54 am to dpd901
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The HSCA wouldn't have been reconvened to give a new conclusion 15 years later...
It is the government, of course they would.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 9:03 am to LSUsmartass
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With the objective evidence they present, how could anybody argue against the agent in the trail vehicle shooting Kennedy? Accidentally of course.
A quick Google search would explain to you just how dumb that theory is.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 9:14 am to dpd901
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In 1992, Congress passed legislation to collect and open up all the evidence relating to Kennedy's death, and created the Assassination Records Review Board to further that goal. No materials have been uncovered which significantly change the conclusions or opinion of the HSCA.
That's simply not true... Evidence has been uncovered that debunks the basis of the HSCA's conclusion.
The rest of your statement makes zero sense... The HSCA wouldn't have been reconvened to give a new conclusion 15 years later...
Posted on 10/15/14 at 3:27 pm to LSUsmartass
Just watched it. George Hickey did that shite..
Posted on 10/15/14 at 3:43 pm to LSUsmartass
I thought it was obvious that the limo driver turned, shot JFK and drove to the hospital. Completely plausible.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 9:04 pm to kywildcatfanone
I don't believe in "magic" bullets or Jack Ruby just being patriotic. Something was afoul. Is it a full blown conspiracy involving the CIA, mafia, and govt? Doubtful. As mentioned, it's awfully hard to keep that many mouths shut. But I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the above mentioned was part of it as well as Oswald, of course.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 9:19 pm to Sho Nuff
The secret service killed Kennedy. I do believe that there was some sort of plan by powers that be to have him taken out and Oswald was their guy, but as the only thing they proved was that Oswald was a cracked frick up. Don't forget that he killed a cop the same day. The secret service agent in the car behind Kennedy's car shot him with the AR 15 after oswalds shot. Un intentionally of course. The cluster after was a cover up by the people who are supposed to protect the president.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 9:56 pm to Cooter Davenport
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First it's "Oswald and Ferrie didn't know each other at all." Then when a picture comes out that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they had to know each other it becomes "show me conclusively when they double dated and watched football games together."
I have dozens of photos where my picture was taken standing with a group in various social and business situations. In most of the photos I have never met, and do not know who many of the other people are, seems like a fairly common occurrence.
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