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The reason for a down season? No simpler than the 2012 recruiting class...

Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:08 am
Posted by lsusteltz16
LaGrange, Ga
Member since Nov 2007
876 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:08 am
Sure, the offense really needs some creativity, but our record would be the exact same if Chip Kelly were running this offense.

The problem lies no further than looking at upper-classmen leadership or lack thereof. This isn't a knock on our Jrs and Srs, it's just a fact that these two classes is what is hurting the team.

2011
Odell- NFL departure
Jalen Collins- peforming better, but not up to expectations coming out of HS
La-El Collins- Great player. Great senior.
Kenny Hilliard- Not up to expectations. Good Sr back.
David Jenkins- transfer
Freak- NFL departure. Mostly disappointing.
Mickey Johnson- Major miss on DT here.
Jarvis Landry- NFL departure.
Terrance Magee- decent player. About up to expectations
Ronald MArtin- not a great player. average-below average, but not much was expected.
Mett- JUCO/NFL
Jerrard Randall- transfer
Rasco- Not living up to expectations IMO. Decent player, but not what he was billed to be.
Quentin Thomas- Meh player. Not much was expected out of HS though.
Trai Turner- NFL departure
Corey White- ???? Major miss here.
Stephen Rivers- Transfer

This was a great class and led to a great 2013 season IMO. However, misses at DT with Freak not developing and Mickey Johnson/QT being meh really hurt the D last year. Not to mention the lack of a great safety in this group. A QB in this class would've REALLY helped to have this year after Mett left. We should've taken the chance on Prescott here instead of Rivers IMO.

2012
Kwon- Great pick up.
Vadal- hugely underperforming
Dural- Good pick up.
Edingburgh- major disappointment
Feist- Miss
dillon Gordon- meh
Trey Granier- transfer
Jerald Hawkins- Good pick up. Surprise. Not much expectations out of HS
Kavarha Holmes- GOne
Danielle Hunter- Only DL prospect this class. Disappointing so far. Seems to be workout warrior with a major body but not major skills. See Luke Sanders, Ej Kuale
Avery Peterson- meh
Debo Jones- Project pickup. Meh so far.
Jeremy Liggins- gone
Lamar Louis- Major disappointment so far IMO.
Jalen Mills- Good pick up, but seems to get beat a lot.
Lorenzo Phillips- apparent bust
Dwayne Thomas- Good pick up


Only ONE Dlinemen and it was a project player in Hunter? Are you kidding me? Losing Freak early really hurts now. Also, missing on Mickey Johsnon and QT really hurts too. QT wasn't expected to be much, so I'm not sure I understand why we didn't at least go get a few 3 star DT from out of state since LA was down in talent that year.



Summary: Problem areas on the team QB, DT, OL. The 2012 class killed this season just like the 05 class killed the 08 season. Since '11 left early, it was up to 2012 to carry this team. Unfortunately 2012 was a horrible talent year in LA and the staff seemingly got lazy on offering out of state talent to supplement.

QB- Should've had a good project after Mett. Should've gone with the in-state guy IMO. Especially if you wanted a mobile QB type.

DT- It is hard to have a Dline when all the players you expect to contribute are only Sophomores. Go look around the country. Very few good Dlines are filled with NO upper classmen. Not taking a DT or 3 in 2012 is inexcusable IMO. Godchaux, Lacouture, Herron, Bain, and Gilmore should all be rotation guys and not starting right now. Chucky Hunter and Jacoby Briscoe would sure be nice to have about now. That's not even taking into account that we didn't take any DEs in '12 either.

OL- Some decent prospects and surprises here (Hawkins, La'el,) But we missed bad on a few like Edinburgh, Austin, and Corey White. Still no reason other than coaching for the OL to be bad IMO.
Posted by keeper05
BR
Member since Feb 2007
379 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:12 am to
quote:

Sure, the offense really needs some creativity, but our record would be the exact same if Chip Kelly were running this offense


Yeah, but at least we wouldn't have looked like the Keystone cops out there in a losing effort. I don't think most fans have a problem losing these two games. They have a problem with how bad we have looked losing these two games.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:13 am to
Don't agree with every single point in your assessment, but 2012's class is definitely a large part of current talent problem.
Posted by TexasTiger68
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Nov 2008
207 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:15 am to
Per 24/7 Sports:

2011: Auburn's Class ranked 11
Posted by Sampson
Chicago
Member since Mar 2012
24587 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:16 am to
Hunter is a beast IMO and it wouldn't have hurt us if the other 11 dlinemen we signed the past 2 years actually stepped up and played like the top tier recruits they were.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 10:17 am
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33711 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:16 am to
I am with you on most of this, but how can you call Danielle Hunter a disappointment? I think he is one of the bright spots of the defense.

Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
14699 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:16 am to
Our lack of depth on the D-line can easily be traced to these two classes. Great college defenses need at least 4-6 DT's to rotate, and 4 solid DE's. In those two classes we took a grand total of 2 Defensive Tackles, and 3 Defensive Ends.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
32027 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:22 am to
We should go back in time and fire 2012 Frank Wilson
Posted by TigerBlood17
Member since Jan 2014
1461 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:23 am to
Solid post. The reason this team is so bad right now can be attributed to recruiting strategy failing and talent evaluation failing. I think that they realized they were going to have a problem on the DL a year late. They took a bunch in 2013 and could have spaced it out between 2012 and 2013.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127600 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:24 am to
quote:

I'm not sure I understand why we didn't at least go get a few 3 star DT from out of state since LA was down in talent that year.


This was a year where we struck out on the following.



We may have also went after Quay Evans at one point as well.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 10:26 am
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:25 am to
good post. nice work.


recruiting is a crap shoot. Anybody remember Xavier Carter?? Lightning fast with the hands of a 2 year old. He was a 5 star bust. I think our expectations of a 17 yr old coming out of HS predetermine what a player should be. Kids dont always translate
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Freak- NFL departure. Mostly disappointing.

Fact.
quote:

Danielle Hunter- Only DL prospect this class. Disappointing so far. Seems to be workout warrior with a major body but not major skills. See Luke Sanders, Ej Kuale

Idk dude, he's been all over the field this year.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:13 am to
quote:

Mickey Johnson- Major miss on DT here
I thought Mickey Johnson was a late offer after LSU missed on Tim Jernigan.

quote:

Quentin Thomas- Meh player. Not much was expected out of HS though
Wasn't he also a late offer? At least he has contributed more than being a practice player.
Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
16935 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:18 am to
quote:

Sure, the offense really needs some creativity, but our record would be the exact same if Chip Kelly were running this offense.


Stopped reading here.
Posted by Comp721
Member since Oct 2009
1585 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:22 am to
quote:

We should've taken the chance on Prescott here instead of Rivers IMO.


Thanks captain hindsight
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76843 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

Sure, the offense really needs some creativity,

The defense is equally bad which gives me no hope
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
43801 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:19 pm to
Good news is help is on the way
Head Coach Sean Payton
His best bud Jon Gruden will run the offense
Rex Ryan will come in and run the defense
Payton will go get Bridgewater off hoops team to be his Jimmy Graham
Now he just needs a QB!
Posted by Tiger 79
The Original Tiger 79
Member since Nov 2007
38086 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:41 pm to
Did we recruit this kid?

I still believe we are better off taking kids from Louisiana first.
Posted by LaFlyer
Member since Oct 2012
1043 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 1:15 pm to
lsusteltz16

quote:

The reason for a down season? No simpler than the 2012 recruiting class...



100 percent correct observation and post.
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
36764 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 1:33 pm to
Jeez, that class looks awful when you put it that way.
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