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I am going to look like a terrible person for saying this (regarding suffrage)
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:20 pm
There is a very common belief that the more suffrage and voting there is, the better everything is. I tend to disagree. Let me defend myself by saying that if law and government, in present times, were actually kept in their traditional confines of protecting natural rights to life, liberty, and property, then I would be fine with mass voting. The problem though, is that the primary function of government these days is monetary transfer from one group to another in the form of benefits (pork, programs, etc). Because this is the current, unfortunate primary function of the state, it means that the more people that vote, the more interests there are in the picture, trying to claw and fight for the scarce resources that the government transfers from peter to Paul.
Someone in a recent thread said that he thinks a balanced budget is impossible. And I agree, for the reason I listed above.
You can call me a terrible person all you want, but mass suffrage and voting, combined with a government whose primary function is not protection of rights, but transferring of wealth, gets you to Bastiat's spot on definition of government:
Government is that great fiction, where everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else
Someone in a recent thread said that he thinks a balanced budget is impossible. And I agree, for the reason I listed above.
You can call me a terrible person all you want, but mass suffrage and voting, combined with a government whose primary function is not protection of rights, but transferring of wealth, gets you to Bastiat's spot on definition of government:
Government is that great fiction, where everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So you anti liberty and anti American tradition? Democracy only for the rich?
Freedom for those who can afford to by it. Asking for a violent revolution. Damn
By the way life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Property is not appropriate here.
Freedom for those who can afford to by it. Asking for a violent revolution. Damn
By the way life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Property is not appropriate here.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I'm actually in agreement.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Well hell, given your voting record of only voting for republicans, who cares what the candidate stands for, you should move to North Korea and hang out with this guy.
You guys have a lot in common.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Damnit, GeauxxxTigers23 beat me to it
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
quote:
So you anti liberty and anti American tradition? Democracy only for the rich?
That's originally how it was set up. The Founding Fathers originally only allowed rich land owners to vote.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Who is John Galt?
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:26 pm to asurob1
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asurob1
Excellent troll 9/10
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:27 pm to asurob1
quote:I'm voting for democratic governor Jerry Brown's reelection. He has cut spending in the face of democratic whining and wailing.
given your voting record of only voting for republicans,
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:28 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
quote:Majority rule is a threat to liberty.
anti liberty
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I'm voting for democratic governor Jerry Brown's reelection. He has cut spending in the face of democratic whining and wailing.
Dear lord have you actually learned something from hanging out here.
I'm actually proud of you.
But this thread...reeks of stupidity on your part.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
We have failed. Big time
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:30 pm to RollTide1987
The founding father only let males and whites vote. Surely you are going to run with that. The founding fathers allowed slavery so whats your point?
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Don't feel like a bad person. It is actually an understandable position to hold.
I've always felt that the idea of being able vote simply for existing is counterproductive.
Something given does not have as much value as something taken or earned.
The problem arises when attempting to decide who gets to vote.
I'm partial to intelligence requirements, but the decision of how to measure that differs for many and there is no definitive test.
I've always felt that the idea of being able vote simply for existing is counterproductive.
Something given does not have as much value as something taken or earned.
The problem arises when attempting to decide who gets to vote.
I'm partial to intelligence requirements, but the decision of how to measure that differs for many and there is no definitive test.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Majority rule is a threat to liberty. The ultimate anti American democratic statement. Either so far to the right as to catch up to those so far to the left.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:33 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Do you even know what liberty is?
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Yes you do look like a terrible person.
This stupid idea gets thrown around every month or two on here. Invariably people think it's the other side filled with idiots who shouldn't be allowed to vote.
This stupid idea gets thrown around every month or two on here. Invariably people think it's the other side filled with idiots who shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:36 pm to RollTide1987
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That's originally how it was set up. The Founding Fathers originally only allowed rich land owners to vote.
Oh and more then a few of them owned other humans.
I am positive you are good with that as well.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:36 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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The founding father only let males and whites vote. Surely you are going to run with that. The founding fathers allowed slavery so whats your point?
Easily adjustable. If they are female and own property then they can vote. If they are black and own property they can vote.
And to vote at all, whether you are black, white, brown, orange, yellow, purple or green, you must take and pass a citizenship test every two years.
There are some people who vote in the presidential election who can't tell you where our nation's capital is located and many more still can't tell you who their congressman or senators are.
This post was edited on 9/19/14 at 2:38 pm
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