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re: Interstellar is a masterpiece say insiders not related to Paramount
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:37 am to Freauxzen
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:37 am to Freauxzen
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He's still made under 10 movies, only 3 of which are legitimately great films. (9 movies to be exact)
Kubrick made what 14, with probably 10 true to form great movies.
If Nolan never made another film, I'd still put him ahead of Kubrick. First, that quartet of The Prestige, inception, Memento, and Dark Knight is outstanding. It's not just four films, but arguably four of the best films of his era (Memento, I would argue, is the best film of the post-studio era).
Throw in a great first effort (The Following), an underrated near miss (Insomnia), and two big-budget success to varying degrees (Batman Begins and DK Rises). He's only been making films for a little over a decade, so it seems absurd to complain he has made four great films and four very good ones (OK, 3... DK Rises is a bit of a mess)
Kubrick made 12 films over 45 years. I can't even figure which 10 you think are true to form great, but that's wildly overstating things and even one of his greatest films, Spartacus, he had little control over. I'd give him 4 near perfect great films (2001, Paths of Glory, Dr. Strangelove, and the Shining) I get that Barry Lyndon has its extreme partisans, though it now symbolizes to me everything I don't like about Kubrick. I wouldn't say his other films are bad or anything. He's still Kubrick, after all. But Clockwork Orange is so over the top, and really suffers from deleting the 21st chapter, and Lolita is not nearly as good as its rep, and is nowhere near the source material. Full Metal Jacket and Eyes Wide Shut are both interesting more for their flaws than what they get right.
It seems your judging Nolan on a much harsher curve than Kubrick here, and I'm not sure how one can argue that Kubrick was more prolific. I'd already take Nolan's career over Kubrick's, mainly because I've fallen out with his dehumanizing worldview, but I admit that's a personal aesthetic choice.
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:41 am to Baloo
Kubrick has one of the most iconic films ever in film history. Nolan has yet to come close to that.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:52 am to Baloo
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:04 pm to Baloo
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If Nolan never made another film, I'd still put him ahead of Kubrick. First, that quartet of The Prestige, inception, Memento, and Dark Knight is outstanding. It's not just four films, but arguably four of the best films of his era (Memento, I would argue, is the best film of the post-studio era).
I wouldn't put him ahead of Kubrick, but yeah, 4 great films. I agree on that.
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Throw in a great first effort (The Following), an underrated near miss (Insomnia), and two big-budget success to varying degrees (Batman Begins and DK Rises). He's only been making films for a little over a decade, so it seems absurd to complain he has made four great films and four very good ones (OK, 3... DK Rises is a bit of a mess)
Like I said, on his way. And I'd certainly take his career over Kubrick's just for sheer culture relevance. Kubrick wasn't really impactful until post-death. Or at least later in life. Nolan is able to react to culture with the focus already on him as great. That's a difficult space to operate in.
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Kubrick made 12 films over 45 years. I can't even figure which 10 you think are true to form great, but that's wildly overstating things and even one of his greatest films, Spartacus, he had little control over. I'd give him 4 near perfect great films (2001, Paths of Glory, Dr. Strangelove, and the Shining) I get that Barry Lyndon has its extreme partisans, though it now symbolizes to me everything I don't like about Kubrick. I wouldn't say his other films are bad or anything. He's still Kubrick, after all. But Clockwork Orange is so over the top, and really suffers from deleting the 21st chapter, and Lolita is not nearly as good as its rep, and is nowhere near the source material. Full Metal Jacket and Eyes Wide Shut are both interesting more for their flaws than what they get right.
Fair points 10 was probably a little bit of an exaggeration. Although as a whole, I think the quality is there for Kubrick. What's missing is honest big budget success which is where Nolan has started to break into. That's probably where Nolan comes ahead of Kubrick. As an artist, I take Kubrick over a lot of director's. But as the essence of Hollywood, it's tough to argue against those like Nolan, Spielberg, etc.
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It seems your judging Nolan on a much harsher curve than Kubrick here, and I'm not sure how one can argue that Kubrick was more prolific. I'd already take Nolan's career over Kubrick's, mainly because I've fallen out with his dehumanizing worldview, but I admit that's a personal aesthetic choice.
Exactly. I still kind of remove myself personal reaction from Kubrick's films. I agree in that point, like we did in the last Kubrick discussion, about his worldview. Barry Lyndon, for a long time was my favorite Kubrick film (and I still think it's his most important next to 2001), but I'm not sure I ever want to watch it again.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:25 pm to Baloo
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First, that quartet of The Prestige, inception, Memento, and Dark Knight is outstanding.
Agree. Four really great films. This board likely hates them due to their popularity.
Hell just resurrecting the Batman franchise after Batman & Robin should be worth an honorable mention alone.
I've never seen a Nolan film that I thought was bad. Some of his movies (TDKR) get hyped up to the point of no return only to guarantee disappointment in some manner, but that is out of his control.
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