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re: Least Favorite Kubrick Film
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:38 am to Brosef Stalin
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:38 am to Brosef Stalin
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think 2001 is actually his most humanitarian film. It has the running theme of human evolution but its actually talking to you the viewer specifically. There's a theory that the monolith represents the movie screen and the audience is actually going in the monolith and hopefully learning to open your eyes and evolve. I can post a video later but its a really interesting theory.
The film is clearly about evolution and the great leaps forward with each appearance of the monolith. But for a film about the next stage of development of man, it's fitting that this evolution involves losing any sort of emotional attachment to one's own life. It depends on how you read the ending, by Dave is no longer an individual, he is one with the cosmos.
2001 is like the person who loves The People as an abstract, but clearly can't stand individual people.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:50 am to SportsGuyNOLA
quote:excuse me?
And we can leave Eyes Wide Shut off the list, because I think that would be everyone's choice (it would be mine).
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:02 pm to LoveThatMoney
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I fail to see your point. One line does not a second half of a movie make.
No, but it sums up the second half (and, to a lesser extent the entire movie, as the basic training sequences are for extended prologue purposes only - I believe they ended up being so extended because Ermey and D'onofrio's performances were too good to cut).
The point of basic training was to prepare them for war. But did it prepare them for what happened?
No. Of course not and the the second half of the movie really points that out - the conflicted way we fought the war - and the individual Marines' various interpretations of that conflict. Joker is a writer - something he wants to do, but the Corps has made him into a killer. But, he also wants peace - it's enough to drive anyone a little crazy - look at all the f*cked up stuff on the battlefield? A girl sniper. Hookers, cameramen, insane senior officers - I wish he was making that stuff up - and, ultimately, just like Hoot said in Blackhawk Down - it's about the man next to you. 8 ball going down. Then they need to get revenge. THEN they find out it's a girl.
The second half of that movie is as good as it gets. The problem is that it follows the first half, which is mesmerizing because of how good Ermey and D'ofrio are. Kubrick made "too good" of a first half to follow -
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:10 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
Instead of going with my least favorite Kubrick film, I'm going to name my two all-time favorite Kubrick films. And they are...
Dr. Strangelove
2001
Yes, I am a Boomer.
Dr. Strangelove
2001
Yes, I am a Boomer.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:18 pm to Baloo
From what I've read Kubrick made 2001 to show how we will destroy humanity with technology. Nikola Tesla said "progress and technology are not the same thing."I think 2001 does an excellent job of showing that.
My favourite is the Shining as I get closer to 30 A Clockwork Orange leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
My least favourite is Full Metal Jacket, just brutal to watch Pyle get treated like that.
A11 work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
A11 not All just like in the movie.
My favourite is the Shining as I get closer to 30 A Clockwork Orange leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
My least favourite is Full Metal Jacket, just brutal to watch Pyle get treated like that.
A11 work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
A11 not All just like in the movie.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:10 pm to JawjaTigah
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Dr. Strangelove
Also my favorite.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:15 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Also my favorite.
I like Kubrick - he's probably second to Ridley Scott for me as favorite director - and his body of work is probably better, picture-for-picture.
I'm torn between Strangelove, 2001 and FMJ as my favorite of his - and the very different nature of the films shows his range. Really only the Coens are comparable to Kubrick in range - and Ridley, Kubrick and the Coens are my favorite directors.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:16 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
All of them
Kubrick is garbage. Most overrated filmmaker of all time. More than Malick.
Kubrick is garbage. Most overrated filmmaker of all time. More than Malick.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:21 pm to Lacour
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Kubrick is garbage. Most overrated filmmaker of all time. More than Malick.
I agree, he's overrated, but how dare you compare him to Malick!? How dare you, sir!?
There is only one other filmmaker comparable to the terribleness that is Malick while simultaneously being lauded for his "vision" and that filmmaker is Paul Thomas Anderson.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:24 pm to LoveThatMoney
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There is only one other filmmaker comparable to the terribleness that is Malick while simultaneously being lauded for his "vision" and that filmmaker is Paul Thomas Anderson.
Our numbers are small, but we are growing...
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:31 pm to LoveThatMoney
I agree, I've never liked the 2nd half of that movie at all.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:31 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Malick
Meh.
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Paul Thomas Anderson.
Boogie Nights and Magnolia were better than I expected - and they were pretty hyped up when I watched them. Trying a little to hard too be an accessible David Lynch, but I guess there are worse things in life to which to aspire.
There Will Be Blood was good, but I think that DDL's performance overwhelms the movie.
I still haven't watched The Master
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This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:37 pm to Ace Midnight
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Boogie Nights
The only movie of PTA's that I actually thought was decent.
The rest have been garbage bags. There Will Be Blood is not a good movie at all, IMO. DDL just happens to be one of the best actors in a generation and it shows, though he basically reprises his role as Bill the Butcher.
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I still haven't watched The Master
Unless you're taking an acting class, there is no reason to see this movie. It is one of the worst movies I've ever seen in a theater and I am not being hyperbolic. I very nearly walked out about 3/4 of the way through, but I stayed because I was with a friend and we both kept thinking: "Surely it will get better. Surely something will happen. Surely this movie isn't this hyped up for absolutely no reason." But it was.
But you and I have different tastes quite clearly, so take my opinion with a grain of salt and listen to someone else whose opinion you respect.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:49 pm to LoveThatMoney
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The rest have been garbage bags.
I've still never been more surprised in a film - in my life - than when it started raining frogs in Magnolia. I don't think it was a bad movie, by any stretch - a half dozen compelling performances - and I'll give him this - he is an "actor's" director - he really lets them explore the emotional spaces they all love.
What makes Boogie Nights somewhat more accessible than the others - in my opinion - is that he eschewed a lot of the weirdness (although he employed it in spots) and just told a straight, comprehensible story.
Heck, that was the first movie I thought, "Hey, Marky Mark can act if he wants to... huh. Who would have thought that?"
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:56 pm to Ace Midnight
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I've still never been more surprised in a film - in my life - than when it started raining frogs in Magnolia.
To be fair to PTA, I have not seen Magnolia, so I can't say the "rest" are garbage bags unequivocally.
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:10 pm to LoveThatMoney
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To be fair to PTA, I have not seen Magnolia,
It's weird (duh, right?) - but it feels like 3 different movies are going on at the same time.
Resolution is initially kind of sketchy, but, honestly, it's the most organic of his films I have seen. Cruise and PSH are brilliant - arguably Cruise's best performance. Macy was great, but that's redundant. Jason Robards was dying and this is his last performance. Philip Baker Hall (extremely underrated actor - you know, Bookman, the library cop from Seinfeld) was great, as was Julienne Moore and John C. Reilly (really a departure from what he usually does in this film).
I'd just watch it the first time for the performances - don't obsess about keeping up with the plot - I would just try to remember the connections between the various characters - to me, that's what is important.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:33 pm to Ace Midnight
So this turned from just finding one fault with a great film maker to ragging on PTA and Malick...
PTA is just seriously overrated, but he isn't a bad film maker.
And Malick...
His technical skill alone puts him at the top of modern directors. Malick is a film poet, and I hate poetry post-1970. I've come to compare Malick to someone like Coleridge, these massively mythic stories told on a very personal level.
PTA is just seriously overrated, but he isn't a bad film maker.
And Malick...
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This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:43 pm to Freauxzen
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PTA is just seriously overrated, but he isn't a bad film maker.
And Malick... His technical skill alone puts him at the top of modern directors. Malick is a film poet, and I hate poetry post-1970. I've come to compare Malick to someone like Coleridge, these massively mythic stories told on a very personal level.
Well to each his own.
Regardless, Kubrick's worst film is Full Metal Jacket for reasons aforementioned.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:47 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Well to each his own.
Right on both accounts. I'm not a PTA fan either, but I would never call him a hack. He's unique. He's got style and he has pulled some brilliant performances out of people. Nothing wrong with that.
And Malick, an acquired taste for sure...I probably hated him just as much a year or so ago. Changed my tune after diving into his stuff.
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Regardless, Kubrick's worst film is Full Metal Jacket for reasons aforementioned.
Agreed. And worst doesn't mean bad. FMJ isn't a bad film, it's just weak by Kubrick standards.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:57 pm to Freauxzen
Well, I wouldn't call any director mentioned in this thread a hack. Even Michael Bay knows how to make a movie (he has the aesthetics of a 12 year old though). I think we're criticizing accomplished directors here, but they are at least worth critiquing.
I've just tuned out on artists who only care about the visuals. The visual alone is not enough for me. It has to be in service to an idea.
I've just tuned out on artists who only care about the visuals. The visual alone is not enough for me. It has to be in service to an idea.
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