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re: Obscure/Interesting/Quirky "American" Facts 1865-1880
Posted on 8/21/14 at 1:32 pm to Tiger1242
Posted on 8/21/14 at 1:32 pm to Tiger1242
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And don't come in with "state rights", because the major states rights issue was slavery
Well - ultimately the average southerner (and even above average, Robert E. Lee, for example) did not fight to preserve the institution of slavery - perhaps it was a (not the) catalyst from the southern perspective - keeping in mind that the average southerner, although benefitting from the institution indirectly, did not have direct benefits from or contact with slavery (and perhaps that's why it persisted as a practice for so long) on a daily or weekly basis.
In any event, the catalyst from the North's perspective was a significant plurality of abolitionists - of course there were many who wanted to preserve the Union, even if slavery were to be tolerated for another generation or so (including, perhaps, Abraham Lincoln).
The price of the failure to come to a compromise, nuanced and gentle resolution to the problem was hundreds of thousands of lives and the loss of, essentially, a generation of young men.
But it was far more complicated than "slavery" or "states rights" - it defies simple explanation.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:31 pm to Ace Midnight
The average German in the 1940's didn't fight for Lebensraum, or the holocaust (etc.), but you can't remove those things from the analysis of WW2.
Soldiers in both wars were conscripts of governments who waged war for reasons that people today see as immoral.
All of these years later, some people still don't want to admit that the CSA, like Germany in the 1940's, was on the wrong side of history.
Soldiers in both wars were conscripts of governments who waged war for reasons that people today see as immoral.
All of these years later, some people still don't want to admit that the CSA, like Germany in the 1940's, was on the wrong side of history.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:36 pm to Ace Midnight
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Well - ultimately the average southerner (and even above average, Robert E. Lee, for example) did not fight to preserve the institution of slavery - perhaps it was a (not the) catalyst from the southern perspective - keeping in mind that the average southerner, although benefitting from the institution indirectly, did not have direct benefits from or contact with slavery (and perhaps that's why it persisted as a practice for so long) on a daily or weekly basis.
And the average German infantry wasn't fighting for a pure German race and world domination, the average soldier under Caesar wasn't fighting for his political gain, the average soldier in the Persian army wasn't fighting for Persian glory over Greece, and the average man under Alexander wasn't fighting for Macedonian domination and eternal glory for Alexander.
Soldiers fight because they're told to fight, and because they're paid to fight (in some cases). Just because not everyone is doing it for a reason doesn't mean it wasn't a part of it.
I'm not claiming slavery was 100% the cause of the war, but it was certainly a driving factor
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:43 am to Ace Midnight
They lived in a slave based economy, but it if fell, everyone suffered.
That's like arguing that only people in the banking industry suffered during the great depression. It's faulty reasoning.
That's like arguing that only people in the banking industry suffered during the great depression. It's faulty reasoning.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 2:45 am
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