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re: If Archie ever had an offensive line to speak of,
Posted on 8/7/14 at 9:03 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
Posted on 8/7/14 at 9:03 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
People are WAY too emotional about this issue.
Archie Manning was an excellent NFL QB. He would have been successful on any and all NFL teams.
Arguments that he was less than excellent have some basis in fact, but, are probably outweighed by contrary evidence.
Arguments that he could have been as great as any other QB from his era is speculation, which means, perhaps it is so.
Archie Manning was an excellent NFL QB. He would have been successful on any and all NFL teams.
Arguments that he was less than excellent have some basis in fact, but, are probably outweighed by contrary evidence.
Arguments that he could have been as great as any other QB from his era is speculation, which means, perhaps it is so.
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 9:10 am to Champagne
Careful, such pragmatic views are not acceptable on ST.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 9:14 am to Champagne
I don't know that it's possible to achieve "greatness" at the QB position so I would not call him a great NFL QB, but he came as close to doing so as one could do. Opinions may vary but the honors he won in 78 and 79 are facts and they strongly support the view that he was a well above average NFL QB. Admittedly, you get into "eyeball tests" once you can past that sort of evidence, but here is something to consider: Manning was a starting QB in the NFL for well over a decade without winning, including with the Vikes at the end. This didn't happen with Steve Spurrier, Terry Hanratty, or some other college greats who struggled at the NFL level in the same era.
Numerous players and coaches in Manning's era considered him an upper echelon QB. I can see where folks such as Fox are coming from (primarily stats), but I will go with what I and Manning's NFL contemporaries saw.
A little off topic: how much fun would Manning have had with some of these modern offenses? His arm and athleticism would have served him so well.
Numerous players and coaches in Manning's era considered him an upper echelon QB. I can see where folks such as Fox are coming from (primarily stats), but I will go with what I and Manning's NFL contemporaries saw.
A little off topic: how much fun would Manning have had with some of these modern offenses? His arm and athleticism would have served him so well.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:57 am to Champagne
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Arguments that he was less than excellent have some basis in fact, but, are probably outweighed by contrary evidence.quote:
Arguments that he could have been as great as any other QB from his era is speculation, which means, perhaps it is so.
speaking of contradictory...
the only people emotional about this are people who think he was some kind of special talent. Some basis in fact? More like entirely based in fact. If we stick by facts alone, then this is a slam dunk. You don't go from great/special/HOFer (whatever you want to call it) to mediocre NFL career because you played on a bad team...especially when your position is the most important one on the team (admittedly to a lesser extent in the 70s)
If Archie hadn't blown a special wad of spunk, then he would only be remembered by saints fans, and LSU/Ole Miss/MS State fans. Only did this distorted version of his career start being promulgated when his son was lighting up the league. I would specifically reference a pre game (maybe halftime) piece that Sunday/Monday (?) night football aired during a 2002 game between the saints and rams.
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