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re: Phil Jackson on Kobe and MJ
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:36 pm to PhiTiger1764
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:36 pm to PhiTiger1764
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It's not just one or the other (rings or stats). It's a combination of both. Will LeBron need 5 rings to pass Kobe? IMO, probably not if he continues putting up numbers like he is. But right now he is firmly behind Kobe in BOTH stats and rings.
Really? The rings and total stats obviously, but in career averages and projection, he's going to blow away Kobe. As for rings, we'll see eventually. He doesn't need 5 to be considered better than Kobe. Most people already consider him #2 all time with just 2 rings.
Kobe has 31700 points, 6601 rebounds, 5925 assists, and 2455 combined S+B in 18 seasons
LeBron has 23170 points, 6086 rebounds, 5791 assists, and 2119 combined S+B in 11 seasons
If LeBron averages just 27/6/6, combined 2 S+B this year, and plays every game, his totals will be 25384 points, 6578 rebounds, 6283 assists, and 2283 combined S+B.
So he would pretty much have Kobe's Rebound, Assist, and S+B numbers in 12 seasons as opposed to Kobe's 18, and only short 6k points.
Kobe has a higher "total" count because he's played 7 more seasons than LeBron, but LeBron is the better overall player that we haven't seen in a LONG time.
Who has had a better PER, ortg, drtg, and WS to his team? LeBron
Kobe's BEST PER season was 28.0, LeBron's AVERAGE is 27.8. LeBron's best was 31.7 and that ties Jordan's best
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:38 pm to htran90
quote:I have lebron at 2 right now even if he never played again, but I'm pretty sure that's not the popular opinion.
Most people already consider him #2 all time with just 2 rings.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:50 pm to htran90
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Kobe has a higher "total" count because he's played 7 more seasons than LeBron
No shite. And I've stated multiple times in this thread that LeBron is on pace to pass Kobe. I don't understand how some of you can just dismiss longevity of a career as a negative
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At what arbitrary number of seasons did LeBron pass Kobe at? Also, I will ask you as I asked someone earlier, has KD passed Kobe? I mean if you extrapolate his numbers for 18 years his will dwarf Kobe's.
What if Andrew Wiggins averages 29, 8, 8 this year on 50% FG%??? If you extrapolate that over 18 years, his numbers will be better than LeBron. Would just 1 season of that make him better than LeBron? Would 5? Would 12? What is the arbitrary number of seasons of stellar averages one must attain?
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As for rings, we'll see eventually. He doesn't need 5 to be considered better than Kobe
If he continues putting up these numbers, I agree. But he will need 1 more at least.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 12:54 pm
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