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re: Hulk from Avengers

Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:44 pm to
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
Reseda
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:44 pm to
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Eh, they did a bad job of communicating it, but it's quite normal for the character. Banner isn't ALWAYS in control, it depends on what's going on around him. But he CAN be in control. The movie did both.

And do you forget the ROD? The entire inverted shot of the reflection in the Rod was a visual clue to tell you that the rod was taking control of everyone in the room (while also a nod to LOTR), including Banner. Hulk just needs to be set off in the wrong way and Banner is out, Hulk has complete control.

Many have speculated it's the Mind Control Infinity Gem, which would make sense, but that's nerd info only clearly that's why they needed to communicate it better. But in terms of story the shift in Hulk control is canon.

Whatever's convenient........

ETA: Hulk is a bad MFer, but let's be real.... Supes would frick his world up.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37525 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:05 pm to
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Whatever's convenient........


It isn't about "convenience." It's fairly clear.

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Ok, Let's look at this first. The camera pans through arguing heroes then focuses on the Rod as it flips over. Why else would a DP do this other than to convey information that this is not what it seems like? These people are not acting on their own...THey are acting contrary ("upside down") than they normally would.

This is a very clear indication that the characters are not in control, the Rod is. Therefore, it can break Hulk. Which gels with Loki's stated plan of getting captured in order to get the Rod in Banner's presence, it will "unleash" Hulk.

Let's look at it further:

LINK

Here are the heroes arguing again. Notice at 43 seconds you see an undershot of Thor making him almost look drunk. Then Tony stumbles and rubs his eyes like he's under something. Then Banner talks about the "other guy," clearly as he picks up the Rod WITHOUT KNOWING IT.

Again, this is pointing to the Rod accessing the other guy and forcing him to pick up the scepter. Banner, who is notcurrently Hulk, does something that he doesn't control. Who does it? Oh yeah, "the other guy," specifically referenced in the sentence WHILE HE TAKES THE ACTION.

He then turns into the Hulk seconds later.


I see this referenced too many times as a knock on the Avengers. Like I said, it wasn't perfectly communicated. But it also doesn't come out of the dark either. The film is clearly trying to tell the audience, "Something is up," the rod flip shot and drunk Thor are giant red flags at least.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 2:11 pm
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58178 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:55 pm to
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Whatever's convenient........




The core of Loki's staff is the Mind Stone which is one of the Infinity Stones that the Collector is looking to acquire. It's extremely powerful and is how Loki was able to turn people into his zombi drones. It's also what was causing everyone to get so angry and argue when they were on the helicarrier.

Do you not remember when an agitated Banner picked up the staff and didn't even realize it? Once he was away from the the thing he was able to regain control. The little man that talks to him in the demolished abandoned factory lets us know this b/c he says Banner aimed his landing.

That wasn't for convenience. It was to set up just how screwed everyone is when all the stones are together.

On a smaller level it also helped to let those who hadn't seen Incredible Hulk know that he has more control when its a willed change vs forced.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 4:20 pm
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