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Anti- science liberals vs anti-science conservatives: who is more dangerous?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:42 pm
So ignoring the clear minded amongst us, here is a brief list of generally the far left and right positions that ignores what can be dangerously referred to as settled science that has a consensus.
Far left:
Anti vaccine
Anti GMO produce
Anti nuclear
Anti genetically defined sexual differences
Far right:
Anti evolution
Anti AGW
Anti genetically defined sexual preference
Up vote for the right being more dangerous, down vote for the left. Please suggest additions and comment on the dangers of each.
ETA: From wiki LINK
Far left:
Anti vaccine
Anti GMO produce
Anti nuclear
Anti genetically defined sexual differences
Far right:
Anti evolution
Anti AGW
Anti genetically defined sexual preference
Up vote for the right being more dangerous, down vote for the left. Please suggest additions and comment on the dangers of each.
ETA: From wiki LINK
quote:
Left-wing antiscience[edit]
One expression of antiscience is the "denial of universality and... legitimisation of alternatives",[citation needed] and that the results of scientific findings do not always represent any underlying reality, but can merely reflect the ideology of dominant groups within society.[14] In this view, science is associated with the political Right and is seen as a belief system that is conservative and conformist, that suppresses innovation, that resists change and that acts dictatorially. This includes the view, for example, that science has a "bourgeois and/or Eurocentric and/or masculinist world-view."[15]
The anti-nuclear movement, often associated with the left,[16][17][18] has been criticized for overstating the negative effects of nuclear power,[19][20] and understating the environmental costs of non-nuclear sources that can be prevented through nuclear energy.[21]
Right-wing antiscience[edit]
The origin of antiscience thinking may be traced back to the reaction of Romanticism to the Enlightenment, French Revolution and the Industrial Revolution. This movement is often referred to as the 'counter-enlightenment'. Romanticism emphasizes that intuition, passion and organic links to Nature are primal values and that rational thinking is secondary to human life. There are many modern examples of conservative antiscience polemics. Primary among the latter are the polemics about evolutionary theory[22] and modern cosmology teaching in high schools, and environmental issues related to global warming[23][24] and energy crisis.
Characteristics of antiscience associated with the right include the appeal to conspiracy theories to explain why scientists believe what they believe,[25] in an attempt to undermine the confidence or power usually associated to science (e.g. in global warming conspiracy theories). Another feature of "conservative antiscience" discourse is the widespread use of informal fallacies, in particular the false dilemma, appeal to consequences, appeal to fear, and the appeal to probability fallacies.[citation needed]
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:46 pm to C
Anti-vaccine dullards are the most dangerous.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:48 pm to C
Anti vaccine will have the most immediate and damning impact.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:51 pm to Tiguar
Anti-vaccine? Haven't heard of this. Are you talking about Christian Scientists?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:53 pm to Big12fan
quote:
Anti-vaccine? Haven't heard of this. Are you talking about Christian Scientists?
Close. Hipster parents.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:54 pm to C
The only one of those things that seems all that significant is resistance to climate change, if it proves to be as bad as predicted. The right wins this one.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:54 pm to C
The ones in power.
Is why I love gridlock.
Is why I love gridlock.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:00 pm to Zed
quote:
The only one of those things that seems all that significant is resistance to climate change, if it proves to be as bad as predicted. The right wins this one.
You don't think being anti-vaccine is dangerous?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:01 pm to C
GMOs are bad, but what really should be talked about is farming practices, too often the debate is simply about GMO vs non GMO.
Vaccines are bad, even if you think they're good it's evident that most contain unnecessary toxic elements.
Support for nuclear energy highlights the short term thought process and normalcy bias most people live by.
Anti evolution is insane, everything is evolving.
Global warming debate is irrelevant. Both sides have an agenda. The left uses it as a way to bring about more taxes and government control. The right denies it as a way to justify continued unchecked destruction of the planet. The truth is it doesn't matter what the data says, we need to be more responsible, starting now. A system that requires constant growth is not sustainable.
Vaccines are bad, even if you think they're good it's evident that most contain unnecessary toxic elements.
Support for nuclear energy highlights the short term thought process and normalcy bias most people live by.
Anti evolution is insane, everything is evolving.
Global warming debate is irrelevant. Both sides have an agenda. The left uses it as a way to bring about more taxes and government control. The right denies it as a way to justify continued unchecked destruction of the planet. The truth is it doesn't matter what the data says, we need to be more responsible, starting now. A system that requires constant growth is not sustainable.
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:03 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:I don't think it's prevalence is going to be serious enough to cause serious problems, and I don't think it's nearly as partisan as other beliefs listed. It's a very small minority of Americans on the left and right.
You don't think being anti-vaccine is dangerous?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:04 pm to Sleeping Tiger
quote:
Vaccines are bad, even if you think they're good it's evident that most contain unnecessary toxic elements.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:05 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Sleeping Tiger is here to tell us Sheeple why we're all doomed.
The end is near, it's the corporations man.
The end is near, it's the corporations man.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:09 pm to C
From a quick google search:
quote:
Although the data clashes with some peoples' perception of the typical vaccine skeptic, it chimes with previous surveys. In 2009 the Pew Research Center found almost 50% more Democrats than Republicans said they would take the swine flu vaccine. More detailed data emerged last year from a Public Policy Polling survey of 1,247 U.S. voters. PPP found 12% of people who described themselves as very liberal believe vaccines cause autism, compared with 22% of hardline conservatives.
quote:LINK
What both surveys show is that antivaccination views are held by just a small minority of people. As the Yale-Harvard report puts it, "a very large supermajority believes that the benefits of childhood vaccinations outweigh their risks."
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:11 pm to Zed
Widespread anti vaccine movement is more damaging than widespread GW disbelief. Both of our worries rely on what-ifs.
You rely on GW not being bullshite and I rely on stupidity growing. Since it is a fact that if most people shunned vaccinations people would die rather than uncertainty, I consider it the more harmful movement.
You rely on GW not being bullshite and I rely on stupidity growing. Since it is a fact that if most people shunned vaccinations people would die rather than uncertainty, I consider it the more harmful movement.
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:17 pm to Tiguar
quote:I don't think Americans are stupid enough to let it get to the point that it causes outbreaks, but I could be wrong. If the skepticism spreads to Asia or Africa, assuming it hasn't already, I'd get considerably more worried.
Widespread anti vaccine movement is more damaging than widespread GW disbelief.
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