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re: Should Arts and Humanities Majors be denied Grants and Loans?

Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:44 pm to
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37525 posts
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:44 pm to
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my siblings
160k debt theater arts(he waits tables now)
85k debt psychology(she can't get into grad school, low grades)..works at La Boulange(bakery)

I know, we can't save stupid people from themselves.
But I want to keep Entities from abusing their stupidity to get tax payer dollars.


I don't know your siblings, but there was a time in the American workforce where you took a job, usually started at the bottom, and not only were you encouraged to keeping moving up, but companies actually took employment seriously and invested in them. So they didn't need the perfect candidate from the first day. They could get someone who they felt was worthwhile, start them at the bottom, and make them prove their way up. If you couldn't pass a level, then yeah you probably stalled, but you most likely weren't at the bottom, and were probably making more than a waiter.

We need those days back. We shouldn't write someone off because they studied theater arts in college.

The flip side of this is that the positive reinforcement of culture has caused many of the Gen Y to believe they are worth exponentially more than they actually are, so starting at the bottom is a no go. So they are stubborn until they have to wait tables just to get by. That's a problem too.

Oh and old folks won't die or give up their positions. That too.
Posted by BayouBandit24
Member since Aug 2010
16601 posts
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:47 pm to
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Oh and old folks won't die or give up their positions. That too.


Biggest problem for younger people now compared to older generations. People just aren't retiring in their 50s anymore.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27387 posts
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:47 pm to
I went to college and med school for less than $45k. WTH are people spending this money on. After scholarships and other academic rewards and loan paybacks, I paid $0 in tuition. We lived meagerly and had only some loans on my wife when we both graduated. After college and 4 yr pharmD she owed $32k.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79493 posts
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:49 pm to
I simultaneously blame the employer while understanding their plight.

You do not need a degree to start at the bottom in a lot of companies. My dad went mail room to board room, and that just doesn't happen anymore. It should, but it doesn't.

On the other hand, companies have to be able to distinguish between candidates, and with the ubiquity of college degrees, not having one is an easy application discard.

In an ideal world, we'd make college harder to go to, probably by making college significantly more difficult and cutting the number of colleges in half (or more). We'd also greatly increase the value of high school, making employers more willing to take that chance.
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