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Are you not aware that, so long as all of the devices along the way from PC to server in a LAN have gigabit ports, that the PC will get a gig link, regardless of what other devices are on the LAN?

Yes, I misread the statement, didn't realize he said local server. That being said my earlier statement still applies for connceting to another office or sever not on the LAN.

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Even cheap routing and switching products have Gig ports these days. The Cisco Small Business line has switches and routers with gig ports

I'm well aware of that. That being said, I don't know many established companies with the budget to upgrade all thier existing network switches to to gigports throughout. Over time yes, and any decent company should be well on its way to replacing all that legacy gear.

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That doesn't mean companies shouldn't roll out higher bandwidth options. Technology is growing exponentially, thus bandwidth needs are growing at a rapid pace.

I have never disputed this, not even once. I agree that unless you have plans currently in action to upgrade bandwidth capacity accross the board, then you are already behind the 8-ball.

My beef..all along, which somehow got twisted, is that HOUSEHOLDS don't need this kind of speed yet.
And companies are rushing to bring this speed to market in fear of losing those subs. Which, in my opinion will cause corners to be cut, compromises to be made, and in the long term a lot more troubleshooting and unessessary work.

I believe it's silly that these ISPs are rushing to provide a service that 90% of its customer base doesn't need. You said so yourself:

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At this point in time, torrenting would be the only thing the average user would sincerely notice a difference on unless you have a lot of household members that are simultaneously streaming, gaming, torrenting, etc. That kind of bandwidth is wholly unnecessary in the vast majority of the nation's households right now.

And as for this:

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My connection to our devices in the office is really, really fast. But some of our devices have huge configs so even with LAN speeds they can take 5-10 seconds to load up the GUI (should you choose to go the GUI route). From home, through our VPN, I can't even load the configuration through the GUI.

I work from home, alot, and never have issues with a 25Mbps connection, then again, I like to stick to the No GUI no Troubles policy (I'm all command line)

I game online at home, I stream video through Netflix, hell I'm even playing the playstation now Beta (streaming game service) right now with no issue.

What all that boils down to is what I've argued from the start. I don't feel like ISPs should be rushing to get this to market when no one truly needs it...right now.

Should they be building the infrastructure to support it and make it available? Absolutely, but should they be rushing to keep up? Nah. Unfortunatley due to free market and competition, they will have to rush.

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Posted by Hulkklogan

Baton Rouge, LA

Member since Oct 2010

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Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:04 pm to loopback

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I like to stick to the No GUI no Troubles policy (I'm all command line)

I typically follow the same policy, but our firewalls have such large configs that the GUI is much easier to manage it all. At home I have to go CLI, though.

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My beef..all along, which somehow got twisted, is that HOUSEHOLDS don't need this kind of speed yet.

I agree with you. At this point in time, it's wholly unnecessary to the average household and even most power users.

It sounds like you and I are on the same page, there's just been misunderstandings of what you meant.

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I believe it's silly that these ISPs are rushing to provide a service that 90% of its customer base doesn't need. You said so yourself:

I don't know of any companies that are rushing to push gig speeds, though. It will take a long, long time for any ISP to overhaul its network to support gig links to households. They may offer gig links to new customers since that limits the amount they need to upgrade immediately.

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Posted by Korkstand

Member since Nov 2003

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Posted on 6/1/14 at 1:20 am to loopback

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To you? No.

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My beef..all along, which somehow got twisted, is that HOUSEHOLDS don't need this kind of speed yet.
And companies are rushing to bring this speed to market in fear of losing those subs. Which, in my opinion will cause corners to be cut, compromises to be made, and in the long term a lot more troubleshooting and unessessary work.

Here's the thing: households don't need any particular speed. I think an internet connection is a basic necessity these days, but even the slowest of broadband is generally good enough, sure. Your beef with gigabit is strange, though. If some home users want gigabit, why shouldn't ISPs deliver? I, for one, would certainly fill the pipe occasionally. And the rest of the time I would enjoy the nearly instant page loads that 25mbps (or even 100mbps) can't give me. If another ISP comes to my area and offers gigabit at a reasonable price, then my current ISP should rightfully be afraid of losing me as a subscriber. As far as "cutting corners" and creating more work for themselves down the road, that's just a business decision they will have to make. Personally, I think waiting and/or taking their sweet time to plan the perfect rollout would be a worse business decision.

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I believe it's silly that these ISPs are rushing to provide a service that 90% of its customer base doesn't need.

Yeah, you have said this several times, and it still doesn't make a lick of sense. It's as if you automatically equate "rushing to provide gigabit" with "doing a shitty job rolling out gigabit service with shitty quality".

And if 10% of my customers want/need faster service, I believe I would do what it takes to deliver if the alternative is losing them to another ISP.

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Should they be building the infrastructure to support it and make it available? Absolutely, but should they be rushing to keep up? Nah.

OK, so, they should be building the infrastructure and making gigabit service available, right now? But not "rushing"? How are you defining "rush"? Regardless, do you know what happens to companies that don't "keep up"?

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Unfortunatley due to free market and competition, they will have to rush.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. Never in my life have I heard of someone using the word "unfortunately" to describe the effects of a free market and competition. This is aside from the fact that there has been a severe lack of competition in the ISP industry, which is the reason our internet speeds are way behind the curve globally.

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