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re: Lafayette, LA may have the best ISP in the nation.....

Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:35 am to
Posted by Vlad
North AL
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:35 am to
Just curious, if the infrastructure is there, in place, why are you apposed to a GB link to the internet from each home? Your only argument so far is, who the frick needs that. These ISP's are going to have to shite or get off the pot.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4891 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:53 am to
I agree with you, Gbps to the home is the future.

I agree that ISPs/Cable providers will eventually lean toward exclusively being ISPs and the days of RF/Coax are numbered.

That being said, I think it's at least a decade away from becoming the norm.

So I don't see the point in all these companies scrambling to provide "fiber to the home" when (for now) its not nessessary. Take your time, do the buildout right and then offer Gbps when the majority of your customers actually need it and technology can support it completely (wireless, HDD, routers, NICs, etc)

Your average ISP has "fiber to the node" then coax to the home. Running the extra distance from node to home will cost tens of millions and 90% of their customer bases won't even use it.

Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
9444 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:56 am to
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loopback



You're over 40 aren't you
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4891 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:01 am to
Nope. but you could say I have an "old soul"
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28746 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:01 am to
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That being said, I think it's at least a decade away from becoming the norm.

And how long do you think it will take to build it out? Hint: at least a decade
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So I don't see the point in all these companies scrambling to provide "fiber to the home" when (for now) its not nessessary.
It's necessary to start now so that it will be well on its way by the time people "need" it.
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Take your time, do the buildout right
Uh, they have been taking their sweet time for a very long time now, and it's time to get started.
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and then offer Gbps when the majority of your customers actually need it
Huh? Are you saying they shouldn't offer gigabit to anyone until it's available to almost everyone? That makes absolutely zero sense logically or financially. You offer it to customers as soon as it's available to them in order to fund further development. This is really, really basic stuff.
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Your average ISP has "fiber to the node" then coax to the home. Running the extra distance from node to home will cost tens of millions and 90% of their customer bases won't even use it.
Do you suggest running it to each individual home as the customer requests it? No, you do the whole area at once. This is the only efficient way to do it.




Have you put any thought into your position at all?
Posted by Vlad
North AL
Member since May 2012
2605 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:06 am to
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90% of their customer bases won't even use it.


They said the same thing about broadband. Build it and they will come, I promise!
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4891 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:07 am to
Holy shite are you the CEO of Charter, Time Warner, Cox, Eatel or something? You seem to have all the answers.
Why the frick aren't you running shite?????
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
9444 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:08 am to
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but you could say I have an "old soul"



You're definitely stuck in the past
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28746 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:10 am to
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Holy shite are you the CEO of Charter, Time Warner, Cox, Eatel or something? You seem to have all the answers.
Why the frick aren't you running shite?????


I'll take that as a "no", you haven't put any thought into it.

Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4891 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:12 am to
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You're definitely stuck in the past


Ha! Call it what you wish.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4891 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:18 am to
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I'll take that as a "no", you haven't put any thought into it.


Of course I have. I've got a question for you, what do you do for a living? Do you work in this industry? Because you make all this sound like its so simple, "just make it happen"

It doesn't work that way bro.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28746 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:23 am to
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Do you work in this industry?

No, I don't, but I do work in an industry, and I do live in this world, so I kind of have an idea of how investments, early adoption, infrastructure development, and economics work.
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Because you make all this sound like its so simple, "just make it happen"
I'm pretty sure several companies and municipalities are indeed "just making it happen". It's you saying they should stop, for some fricking reason.
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It doesn't work that way bro.

Tell me, how does it work?
Posted by Vlad
North AL
Member since May 2012
2605 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:29 am to
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municipalities


This is the best part, they are already in everyone's home, unless you are a mountain man off the grid type. This competition will do wonders.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4891 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:33 am to
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It's you saying they should stop


Never said this. Simply said they shouldn't drop everything and rush to bring something to market just to "keep up" particularly when the average consumer doesn't need it.

As a consumer, if I demand Walmart start selling eggs in cartons of 16 dozen, should Walmart drop everything and start doing it?


And to refrence your earlier comment, Cox has said they will offer it country wide by the end of 2016..so a two year buildout not a decade.

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28746 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:41 am to
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Never said this. Simply said they shouldn't drop everything and rush to bring something to market just to "keep up" particularly when the average consumer doesn't need it.
I thought I made it pretty clear that they need to rush in order to keep up with the ever-increasing bandwidth requirements of the average internet user.
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As a consumer, if I demand Walmart start selling eggs in cartons of 16 dozen, should Walmart drop everything and start doing it?
What the frick does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

More like, as a consumer, if you demand Walmart start stocking more eggs because they can't keep them on the shelf, you bet your arse Walmart will start stocking more eggs.
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And to refrence your earlier comment, Cox has said they will offer it country wide by the end of 2016..so a two year buildout not a decade.
Uh no, you misread. Cox is scheduled to BEGIN rolling out gigabit countrywide in 2016.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4891 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:45 am to
Wrong. They will offer it country wide by late 2016. Can't offer it if it's not already in place.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28746 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:50 am to
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Wrong. They will offer it country wide by late 2016. Can't offer it if it's not already in place.
It won't be in place everywhere they service. It will be installed in new neighborhoods in all regions. Installation in existing neighborhoods will take a very, very long time.

Just check back here in a couple years.
Posted by sonusfaber
Chattanooga, TN
Member since Apr 2010
2625 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 2:57 pm to
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Never said this. Simply said they shouldn't drop everything and rush to bring something to market just to "keep up" particularly when the average consumer doesn't need it.


Let me just say this. I live in Chattanooga, TN where Gbit is offered for $70. It's not very effective for only a handful of ISPs to have GBit. To reach the full potential of any GBit network you should have at least another 100 cities offering it.

Companies are up and moving to places with GBit. Technology companies and heavy content companies rely on getting data to and from places quickly. It's not going to be a good discussion when people are told the company they work for is moving to a different state and town and the employee is left deciding whether to quit and stay around family or leave to stay with the job. Wouldn't have to make that decission if your city at least keeps up with technology. GBit will soon be the standard. Don't want to be left behind.

Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4891 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 3:11 pm to
Most ISPs have been offering Gbit speeds to business customers for some time now, heck even 10Gbit
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 3:15 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28746 posts
Posted on 5/30/14 at 3:18 pm to
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Most ISPs have been offering Gbit speeds to business customers for some time now, heck even 10Gbit

So? The companies using these speeds tend to have employees that can work remotely. It's nice for your employees to have nice bandwidth to work from home, yet still be local enough to come in when necessary.

Are you still trying to argue that fiber to the home shouldn't be built right now?
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