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re: And James is supposed to be the GOAT???

Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:18 pm to
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:18 pm to
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The honest criticism is fine, but it is about as rare as berkelium.



Fair enough, and you made me laugh.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:18 pm to
LeBron has ALREADY had a Top 10 career in the NBA, and the 2011 Finals are insurmountable in your eyes?
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:20 pm to
I obviously had to look it up. Almost put astatine by mistake. That would have been embarrassing.
Posted by htran90
BC
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:20 pm to
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of course I am. I am a Jordan, Bron, Kobe, Durant, Duncan fanboy. You know why? Because I am a happy non miserable person that likes good basketball



but you're an anthony davis fan

the new GOAT in town.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:20 pm to
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:20 pm to
quote:

LeBron has ALREADY had a Top 10 career in the NBA, and the 2011 Finals are insurmountable in your eyes?



To be considered #1 yes.
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:20 pm to
Go check out LeBron's #'s in elimination games.

They are pretty good.
Posted by imraged
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:21 pm to
Him getting to the finals is a stain on his career?

Yes I realize his play was poor in that series but they wouldn't have been there in the first place without him.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:21 pm to
Why can't LeBron's 2 finals losses go down as bad marks? He played a shitty series vs. SA and DAL. That is honest criticism.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:23 pm to
He played poorly against SA, but I don't hold that series against him. The Cavaliers had no chance of winning and really had no business being there. They were ONLY there because he dragged their sorry asses through the playoffs like some kind of demi-god.

The Dallas series? That should absolutely be held against him if we're talking "greatest player to pick up a basketball ever" status. I've never seen anything like that.
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 11:25 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:24 pm to
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Why can't LeBron's 2 finals losses go down as bad marks? He played a shitty series vs. SA and DAL. That is honest criticism.
Agreed. However, I think his defenders usually pojnt out that others have had bad series as well. Which resulted in them losing in the first and second rounds
Posted by auburnu008
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:24 pm to
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:24 pm to
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He played poorly against SA, but I don't hold that series against him. The Cavaliers had no chance of winning and really had no business being there.



Absolutely. I give him credit for getting that team there. However,

quote:

The Dallas series? That should absolutely be held against him. I've never seen anything like that.



This. His performance (especially in the 4th quarters) was sad.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:24 pm to
quote:

LeBron has ALREADY had a Top 10 career in the NBA, and the 2011 Finals are insurmountable in your eyes?


He didn't just play bad, he wanted no part of that series. To this day it's probably the strangest thing I've seen from a superstar player.

People forgot about it the next year so to most it's not a big deal, but that was the point I stopped being a big Lebron fan. I had defended him for years on this board but quitting / playing afraid / whatever it was couldn't be defended.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:25 pm to
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Why can't LeBron's 2 finals losses go down as bad marks?

Bad marks that are insurmountable???
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85388 posts
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:25 pm to
I guess. It was an epic shortfall considering how great he was all year and in the playoffs to that point, but I don't find it to be some monstrous burden on his career when it is over.

Are you one of those that gets all excited that Jordan was 6-6 in the finals and argues that is a greater accomplishment than someone going 7-9? Serious question.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:25 pm to
You're reading my mind.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
34998 posts
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:26 pm to
That was just plain eerie
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96197 posts
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:27 pm to
The Dallas series is easy for me to understand. It is simple. Lebron simply wasn't ready yet. His turning pojnt was game 6 against the celtics in 2012. That is when he realized he needed to be the man and make it his team. Jordan's turning pojnt was the 89 series lost to the pistons where he realized how much harder he needed to push himself to win a 7 game series against a great team. It is awesom watching players evolve
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:28 pm to
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Are you one of those that gets all excited that Jordan was 6-6 in the finals and argues that is a greater accomplishment than someone going 7-9? Serious question.



Well it is a more impressive accomplishment FWIW. I'd rather win 7 though. Jordan also went 6/6 Finals MVP's and never went past a game 6.

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