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re: Net Neutrality -- What You Need To Know

Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:42 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:42 pm to
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i don't think the vast majority of consumers care

there is a great deal of elitism in these arguments. i didn't want to really get into it, but it's true

y'all are ignoring the average person and how they use the internet. these people dominate the market. how the market works for these people is what is going to shape the market. for far too long, we (i include myself) "internet elitists" have lived a subsidized live on the internet. we're probably going to have to start paying our fair share, while the typical internet consumer lives a subsidized internet life.

if you want to divide the discussion up like this, you can: what percentage of the population must benefit, compared to what percentage of the population will face detriment? i'd wager right now the current policies benefit a small % of total users (your "internet elites" or "power users"), to the detriment of a much larger % (your typical/average user)

you can ask why they must subsidize our behavior patterns, especially when they're in the majority

And you continue to ignore the real implications of no net neutrality. It's not about what the consumer pays for internet access. It's about how much internet companies will have to pay (and to whom) to gain access to these consumers, and how these contracts will impact the economy.

Let's say we eliminate all regulation on ISPs, and they decide what websites can be visited, what TV channels we can watch, and what advertisements we can see on each. Are you saying they should be allowed to deny a startup ISP any ad space/time? Will this startup have to rely on billboards and newspaper ads to convey the advantages to switching to their services, considering all TV and internet in the region is controlled by the incumbent? How deep does the corporate "oppression" have to go before you feel government intervention is warranted?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:49 pm to
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It's not about what the consumer pays for internet access. It's about how much internet companies will have to pay (and to whom) to gain access to these consumers

it's about both. we can simplify this even more. it's about the total cost to consumers

consumers will choose the option that offers comparable services/goods at the lower price

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Let's say we eliminate all regulation on ISPs, and they decide what websites can be visited, what TV channels we can watch, and what advertisements we can see on each.

this is the problem. your argument assumes they will all act in accordance with each other and will just stop competing

yeah, it's very likely some of the ISPs will enact restrictive policies. it's also very likely some of the ISPs will not

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Are you saying they should be allowed to deny a startup ISP any ad space/time?

are we to assume if the startup can pay more for the ad space, they'll still get rejected? because if not, that's how ALL ads work

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corporate "oppression"

scary words!

you're not going to find many persons willing to engage in a discussion on this topic with you who will treat you with respect after you refuse to leave the emotional trickery at the door. just letting you know
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