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re: Net Neutrality -- What You Need To Know
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:05 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:05 pm to Korkstand
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That's because there is no middle ground.
yes, there is. for example, the model where poor people get cheaper, less open internet. that is rarely discussed
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Either every packet is treated neutrally, or they aren't.
we are talking about the effects and company policies that emerge
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stop laughing and maybe you will understand why the internet has been so vitally important for the last two decades. Precisely because it does not work like television.
again, you're shifting the argument. comparing how tv and the internet have been implemented is irrelevant
i was responding to an argument that companies have never done...basically what they've been doing for decades. it was a stupid and borderline dishonest argument. that's all it was meant to address. there are other models that restrict content the same. there is no singular content-delivery service
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And it is an extremely scary thought that our only source of unfiltered information might also become filtered.
i doubt it will become filtered, as much as the filterless internet will just cost more. in theory, this is only an argument about cost
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But if you were honest with yourself, and if you really put some thought into it, you would realize that it really is a black/white topic.
if power users pay more, middle users make choices based on cost/tiers, and poor people get more access to cheap internet, that can easily be argued to be a success.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yes, there is. for example, the model where poor people get cheaper, less open internet. that is rarely discussed
It is rarely discussed because it has little impact on the discussion. It is one level of one example of tiered internet plans. Is this your attempt at contriving an example of how the elimination of net neutrality could be "good"?
quote:And there are a million ways that allowing ISPs to shape traffic as they see fit are bad for consumers, and we have yet to hear one valid way that it can be good.
we are talking about the effects and company policies that emerge
quote:I am not shifting the argument, I am framing the argument in a way that you might be able to understand. Apparently, it still isn't working. Understanding the difference between TV and the internet is vital to understanding why we can't allow ISPs to turn the internet into TV.
again, you're shifting the argument. comparing how tv and the internet have been implemented is irrelevant
quote:It's not about "cost", it's about "pricing" via anti-competitive practices.
i doubt it will become filtered, as much as the filterless internet will just cost more. in theory, this is only an argument about cost
quote:A success for ISPs, no doubt, but you continue to ignore the obvious consequences of making it perfectly legal for an ISP to degrade or cut off access to Netflix, making the ISP's own video on demand offering more attractive. Or any number of similar business decisions that would be perfectly legal, but decidedly anti-consumer.
if power users pay more, middle users make choices based on cost/tiers, and poor people get more access to cheap internet, that can easily be argued to be a success.
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