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re: Net Neutrality -- What You Need To Know
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:That's because there is no middle ground. Either every packet is treated neutrally, or they aren't.
these discussions are basically impossible b/c the N/N proponents basically have reduced the argument to this: you can choose between (1) Net Neutrality or (2) worst possible case scenario for EVERYONE. there is no middle ground or shades of grey
quote:Again, stop laughing and maybe you will understand why the internet has been so vitally important for the last two decades. Precisely because it does not work like television.
i just argued that "corporate gatekeepers" (whatever that is) are already (and have for a long time) determined what content/services consumers have access to
quote:Yeah, it is quite common for our information to be filtered. And it is an extremely scary thought that our only source of unfiltered information might also become filtered.
again, that's just an example of using these scary terms to describe a scenario to scare people, while ignoring how that is quite common.
quote:But if you were honest with yourself, and if you really put some thought into it, you would realize that it really is a black/white topic.
these discussions are not built on honest discussions. they have devolved into the black/white paradigm i listed above
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:05 pm to Korkstand
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But if you were honest with yourself, and if you really put some thought into it, you would realize that it really is a black/white topic.
I have yet to hear a good argument on why net neutrality is a good idea.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:05 pm to Korkstand
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That's because there is no middle ground.
yes, there is. for example, the model where poor people get cheaper, less open internet. that is rarely discussed
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Either every packet is treated neutrally, or they aren't.
we are talking about the effects and company policies that emerge
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stop laughing and maybe you will understand why the internet has been so vitally important for the last two decades. Precisely because it does not work like television.
again, you're shifting the argument. comparing how tv and the internet have been implemented is irrelevant
i was responding to an argument that companies have never done...basically what they've been doing for decades. it was a stupid and borderline dishonest argument. that's all it was meant to address. there are other models that restrict content the same. there is no singular content-delivery service
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And it is an extremely scary thought that our only source of unfiltered information might also become filtered.
i doubt it will become filtered, as much as the filterless internet will just cost more. in theory, this is only an argument about cost
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But if you were honest with yourself, and if you really put some thought into it, you would realize that it really is a black/white topic.
if power users pay more, middle users make choices based on cost/tiers, and poor people get more access to cheap internet, that can easily be argued to be a success.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:22 pm to Korkstand
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And it is an extremely scary thought that our only source of unfiltered information might also become filtered
So it is extremely scary that something that was basically not around 20 years ago may be filtered? It's a wonder that people were able to survive for hundreds of years.
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