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Posted on 4/25/14 at 6:20 am to
Posted by fleaux
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Posted on 4/25/14 at 6:20 am to
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This is the conservative viewpoint. only thru appropriate Visa plans, with appropriate preference given to US nationals. Unless you've invented a new type of conservative I'm not familiar with.


Is this really the way you think?? Most "conservatives" on this board are actually fiscal conservatives but social moderates. I couldn't care less about gay marriage or the legalization of marijuana or abortion (you hear about those mostly from single-issue voters), but im as fiscally conservative as it gets..... Sorry if this proves your assertion wrong
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/25/14 at 6:35 am to
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baseball. The greatest sport evah!

True dat - baseball is the best team sport to play, but I have found you have to be emotionally involved with a team to enjoy watching it.

I played baseball for as long as I can remember. I honed my skills (lived way out in the piney woods) by tossing a ball onto the tin roof of our house. Timed my approach to catching it to ensure that I would have to be on the move when the ball hit my glove, and threw the ball in one motion. The 'target' was the back of the chimney which had stepped up ridges of bricks and you could never be sure of the angle of the rebound - then would go and catch the rebound.

Sometimes my throw as off and I would hit the house - my dad put a stop to that when I busted a window, so I had to substitute the baseball for a tennis ball. That turned out to be even better for long distance chases of the rebound.

ahh the memories. I would get out on a diamond today to play baseball. Watch it? not so much.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 4/25/14 at 6:54 am to
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Unless you've invented a new type of conservative I'm not familiar with.




Get the hell out of this thread, little girl, unless you have something constructive to contribute, which never happens.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:07 am to
fascinating that people know what "most conservatives" think

Do tell us what the colored folk are thinking these days, same difference, lump a bunch of people all together and assume they think the same thing.

As for baseball, the most annoying thing about it is as it gets more international you get the same annoying articles EVERY year about how "there aren't enough US blacks in the game". The idiots who write these articles don't realize that the proportion of US blacks in the entire population pool they are pulling from isn't the 13% that is their percentage of the US population but 6%, which is their percentage of the US plus Latin American population.

6% of 25 would be 1 per team. Then you drop a distribution about that and it would be a statistical fluke to have every team have a black player unless they are OVERrepresented.

Top that off with the fact that the people counting that up don't count Hispanic blacks in their numbers* because that would completely blow up their argument that baseball is "racist" and you get the perfect example of liberal stupidity.

Yet this is "reported" every year to hand wringing and gnashing of teeth.

*Yes, for the purposes of left wing race baiting guys like Edgar Renteria (don't have a current glaring example) do not count as black.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56181 posts
Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:24 am to
baseball is america's past time but it is also popular world wide. With the MLB being the highest level of competition in the world it makes sense that foreign born players want to play baseball in the United States.

really the only sport that doesn't see a high percentage of foreign born players is football but that is because outside of the USA and parts of Europe nobody cares about football.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:31 am to
Was curious why a baseball thread on the poliboard was gettin so many posts, and then I finally clicked and read the OP and realized it was a well done troll thread. 8/10
Posted by infantry1026
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010
6048 posts
Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:40 am to
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That's why it was such a radical and earth-shaking event when both the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants moved to California after the 1957 MLB season -- because there were no MLB teams further west than the Cards at that time.


I love watching old footage of the Brooklyn Dodgers; especially Jackie Robinson. Jackie Robinson was one of my childhood heros, I even wrote a paper about him as a kid in school.

That is why it pisses me off so badly when some race baiting piece of shite calls me a racist

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The MLB teams back then had scouts, but, scouting back then was not the science that it is today. MANY MLB quality players were out there back then but never got a chance because they were never scouted.


Yea, I agree with this. I am not really a sabre metric fan (I understand the value of it), but I would rather a player pass the eye test.

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MLB in 1940 was a Lemonade Stand "business" compared to today. In fact, there's a Supreme Court decision that's still good law today that says MLB is NOT a business! That's why MLB is exempt from some laws that regulate business practices.


The decision may still be good, but it was pretty much circumvented when the MLB allowed the players to form a union. Not a Union fan, but I have to say that Bud has done a great job since '94 of keeping labor piece. And the MLB Union has been very pro-active in helping Bud instill the strongest drug testing policy in professional sports. As sports unions go; I perfer MLB's to any.

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IMHO, this evolution of MLB is the reason for all of these things you've noticed about the game today.


I agree, what I needed to understand (cope with) is that the game has expanded so much (even since the '80's). This thread (the individuals who actually contributed anyway) has really helped me put it in prespective.

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Final thought, have you ever heard of the San Francisco Seals? For a long time, this minor league team was SF's beloved home team. Joe DiMaggio played for them before the Yankees noticed him. For most of the USA back then, the only baseball they could know was minor league ball, because of MLB's concentration in the north east.


I had actually never heard of the Seals. I was definitely unaware that the Yankee Clipper had played for them prior to getting noticed.

And about the Northeast; the Media still attempts to steer fans in the direction of the Northeast teams. MLB Network does this constantly (drives me nuts) They have also begun to fawn over the Dodgers as well since Magic bought the team.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:50 am to
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Another reason a lot less black kids play baseball is because it is traditionally a father-son sport. The lack of traditional father figures in the black community has added to this as well. B-ball is cheap. All you need is a ball and a goal and a kid can get really good at shooting hoops all by himself at the nearest park or his driveway. This is one of the reasons why blacks have dominated B-ball for so long.

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:55 am to
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Another reason a lot less black kids play baseball is because it is traditionally a father-son sport. The lack of traditional father figures in the black community has added to this as well. B-ball is cheap. .
Ya know, honestly, I've never thought of this but, it's not as outlandish as one might think. I'd say that most people who play baseball will vividly recall for you when dad took them out to teach them to catch.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56181 posts
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:00 am to
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As for baseball, the most annoying thing about it is as it gets more international you get the same annoying articles EVERY year about how "there aren't enough US blacks in the game". The idiots who write these articles don't realize that the proportion of US blacks in the entire population pool they are pulling from isn't the 13% that is their percentage of the US population but 6%, which is their percentage of the US plus Latin American population.


what I find funny about affirmative action, and diversity in sports etc. They only look at blacks and don't look at Hispanics (even though they are becoming a large minority in this country), Asians, or other races. All they care about is blacks, even though there has been plenty of racism against Hispanics and Asians.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:06 am to
Why you laugh at me?
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10591 posts
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:07 am to
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Ya know, honestly, I've never thought of this but, it's not as outlandish as one might think. I'd say that most people who play baseball will vividly recall for you when dad took them out to teach them to catch.

Yes it is outlandish. How about football? You can't play that by yourself and could use a dad to help you catch and throw ala Archie. Truth of the matter is we dont GAF about baseball and thinks its boring as hell. To each his own of course, but I know many young black males with two active parents who never thought twice about baseball, esp when compared to bball and fball. It just is what it is and to say its because of a lack of fathers is a huuuuge stretch and simply over thinking the situation. The game's boring, man.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:12 am to
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The game's boring, man.


That statement just made me a little racist.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:14 am to
Sorry bro, but times are changing!
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48337 posts
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:16 am to
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The game's boring, man.


Agreed. I watch college baseball but MLB is insufferable.

The theory about the lack of black fathers is interesting. I don't know if it's correct. I would imagine that most inner cities don't have a system of youth leagues and that probably plays a big role.
This post was edited on 4/25/14 at 8:21 am
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:19 am to
It's a damn shame too. Baseball is a great sport. FWIW, I think it has more to do with a lot of the black population being poor and living in inner cities. BBall courts are always close by and basketballs are the only equipment you need.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10591 posts
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:22 am to
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The theory about the lack of black fathers is interesting. I don't know if it's correct. I would imagine that most inner cities don't have a system of youth leagues probably plays a big role.

Well then why isnt fball affected? It is also a sport you cant play by yourself and its actually probably more expensive than baseball when you factor in equipment?
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10591 posts
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:25 am to
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It's a damn shame too. Baseball is a great sport. FWIW, I think it has more to do with a lot of the black population being poor and living in inner cities. BBall courts are always close by and basketballs are the only equipment you need.

Again, what about fball?

This is just an absurd argument IMO. Ppl in latin america don't have resources but they play baseball with a stick and rock because they love the game. Ppl who cant afford fball equipment wont let that stop them from playing tackle in the streets because they love the game. Young blacks just dont love baseball , its that simple. No reason to overthink this.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48337 posts
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:25 am to
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Well then why isnt fball affected?


Its by far the most popular sport in America and that, in and of itself, is going to generate more interest with all people.

That's the only explanation I can think of.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10591 posts
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:28 am to
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Its by far the most popular sport in America and that, in and of itself, is going to generate more interest with all people. That's the only explanation I can think of.

I agree. Therefore lack of fathers or price of equipment is meaningless if a kid really, truly wants to play a sport.
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