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re: I'm considering getting into hockey, help me pick a team
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:52 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:52 am to WG_Dawg
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I'm really leaning towards Colorado, but haven't made my decision "final" yet. I want to watch them and StL and get a feel for which one I enjoy watching most. However, it occurred to me that since both teams are in the playoffs there's a chance one could end up winning it all. What if I pick Colorado for instance, and they go on to win the cup? That would suck, as it would directly violate one of the biggest things that I am vehemently against. Quite the conundrum.
Yeah... I didn't want to say anything earlier, but it looks like the whole premise of this thread is to do exactly what you claim you hate the most. If you wanted to truly avoid "bandwagoning," you'd probably have to pick a team outside the playoffs, which wouldn't be easy to do since half the damn league goes to the playoffs.
Or you could pick the team that loses first: the Blues or the Avalanche. (Hopefully it's the Avalanche)
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:00 am to LoveThatMoney
The most important thing about this decision is that you don't pick Anaheim because frick Getzlaf and Perry and that whole stupid, Disney movie franchise.
Also, if you pick Colorado then frick your newly adopted granola munching fanbase and that fatass Patrick Roy and his overly flashy glove hand.
What I really mean to say is, pick the Stars.
You get a pass if picking the Blues cause I'd like to see Morrow, Ott and that ol' tub Hitchcock win the Cup.
Also, if you pick Colorado then frick your newly adopted granola munching fanbase and that fatass Patrick Roy and his overly flashy glove hand.
What I really mean to say is, pick the Stars.
You get a pass if picking the Blues cause I'd like to see Morrow, Ott and that ol' tub Hitchcock win the Cup.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:01 am to WG_Dawg
Just wanted to say I've absolutely enjoyed reading this thread. I think theres's a good number of sports fans in the same boat as the OP as I am one of them.
Good luck with your decision OP and if you have anymore questions, please ask bc Im interested to see the answers!
If i may pose one to the hockey minds: If you had to pick one thought, opinion, fact, story etc about the Colorado Avalanche, what would it be? 30 for 30 my arse with knowledge on them.
Im standing on the edge, push me over. Give me something frickin cool about em. I don't want to know anything about the city, just the team...or player, or coach, or owner, etc..just something cool related to someone affiliated with them.
To the OP: the city is without question, one of the best there is.
Mountains, geese, snowboarding, hiking, MLB (solid team that meets most of your criteria), NBA, nightlife, Peyton Manning, etc
I lived there for 2 years and it was fantastic. Thanks again for the thread and good luck with your choice!
Good luck with your decision OP and if you have anymore questions, please ask bc Im interested to see the answers!
If i may pose one to the hockey minds: If you had to pick one thought, opinion, fact, story etc about the Colorado Avalanche, what would it be? 30 for 30 my arse with knowledge on them.
Im standing on the edge, push me over. Give me something frickin cool about em. I don't want to know anything about the city, just the team...or player, or coach, or owner, etc..just something cool related to someone affiliated with them.
To the OP: the city is without question, one of the best there is.
Mountains, geese, snowboarding, hiking, MLB (solid team that meets most of your criteria), NBA, nightlife, Peyton Manning, etc
I lived there for 2 years and it was fantastic. Thanks again for the thread and good luck with your choice!
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:34 am to WG_Dawg
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Another thing I was thinking about this morning..
I'm really leaning towards Colorado, but haven't made my decision "final" yet. I want to watch them and StL and get a feel for which one I enjoy watching most. However, it occurred to me that since both teams are in the playoffs there's a chance one could end up winning it all. What if I pick Colorado for instance, and they go on to win the cup? That would suck, as it would directly violate one of the biggest things that I am vehemently against. Quite the conundrum.
Just go with the Panthers since you already like the Dolphins.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:05 pm to SHMILL
I don't think it's bandwagnoning to pick a team in the playoffs. I mean, half of the league is in the playoffs. You can't choose a team that just won, but to pick a team BEFORE they win is fine by me (and there's no guarantee they will win -- going by the #fancystats, the Avs have almost no chance of winning the title. A win by the Avs would go against the past decade of hockey statistical trends, but outliers always happen and that's what makes this so much fun)
The 30 for 30 would certainly be the move from Quebec and the Lindros deal.
Lindros was the first overall draft pick in 1991 and was already being called the Next One. He was the most hyped draft prospect in hockey since Mario Lemieux. And he wasn't going to play for Quebec, no matter what. He refused to even put on a Nords sweater at the draft and he reportedly turned down a $50 million offer. The Nords kept trying to sign him, but finally recognized the reality of the situation, and traded him to the Flyers. The next day, the Rangers had a better offer, so the Nords traded him AGAIN as they hadn't officially turned in the paperwork to the NHL.
The case went to an arbitrator as both the Flyers and Rangers made the case for the Next One. Eventually, the Rangers lost the case, and were able to keep the reported package of Alexei Kovalev, Tony Amonte, Doug Weight, John Vanbiesbrouck, cash, and draft picks. I know you don't know hockey well, but trust me, those guys were awesome. Instead, the Flyers won the case and won the right to trade everything that wasn't nailed down to the Nordiques for Lindros.
The Nordiques received defensemen Kerry Huffman and Steve Duchesne, goalie Ron Hextall, forwards Mike Ricci, Chris Simon, and Peter Forsberg, draft picks, and $10 million. As it turned out, Forsberg for Lindros might've been a win for the franchise, getting the rest of the roster was just icing on the cake.
It wasn't enough. The Nordiques, though vastly improved from perennial doormat standards, had to move to Colorado in 1995. In their first season in Denver, the Avalanche won the Stanley Cup, the only team in the modern era of sports to win a title in their first year of existence. Also taken from the province of Quebec was not just the team, but the goalie Patrick Roy.
Roy was humiliated by his coach and left in the game in which he allowed 9 goals, an 11-1 loss to the Red Wings, the worst loss in Habs history. He vowed never to play for Montreal again. Had the Nords remained in Quebec, there is literally no chance the Habs would have traded him there, but now in Colorado, Roy ended up on the Avs.
The Avalanche's title run was almost entirely at Quebec's expense, making them the rest of Canada's favorite American team ever.
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If i may pose one to the hockey minds: If you had to pick one thought, opinion, fact, story etc about the Colorado Avalanche, what would it be? 30 for 30 my arse with knowledge on them.
The 30 for 30 would certainly be the move from Quebec and the Lindros deal.
Lindros was the first overall draft pick in 1991 and was already being called the Next One. He was the most hyped draft prospect in hockey since Mario Lemieux. And he wasn't going to play for Quebec, no matter what. He refused to even put on a Nords sweater at the draft and he reportedly turned down a $50 million offer. The Nords kept trying to sign him, but finally recognized the reality of the situation, and traded him to the Flyers. The next day, the Rangers had a better offer, so the Nords traded him AGAIN as they hadn't officially turned in the paperwork to the NHL.
The case went to an arbitrator as both the Flyers and Rangers made the case for the Next One. Eventually, the Rangers lost the case, and were able to keep the reported package of Alexei Kovalev, Tony Amonte, Doug Weight, John Vanbiesbrouck, cash, and draft picks. I know you don't know hockey well, but trust me, those guys were awesome. Instead, the Flyers won the case and won the right to trade everything that wasn't nailed down to the Nordiques for Lindros.
The Nordiques received defensemen Kerry Huffman and Steve Duchesne, goalie Ron Hextall, forwards Mike Ricci, Chris Simon, and Peter Forsberg, draft picks, and $10 million. As it turned out, Forsberg for Lindros might've been a win for the franchise, getting the rest of the roster was just icing on the cake.
It wasn't enough. The Nordiques, though vastly improved from perennial doormat standards, had to move to Colorado in 1995. In their first season in Denver, the Avalanche won the Stanley Cup, the only team in the modern era of sports to win a title in their first year of existence. Also taken from the province of Quebec was not just the team, but the goalie Patrick Roy.
Roy was humiliated by his coach and left in the game in which he allowed 9 goals, an 11-1 loss to the Red Wings, the worst loss in Habs history. He vowed never to play for Montreal again. Had the Nords remained in Quebec, there is literally no chance the Habs would have traded him there, but now in Colorado, Roy ended up on the Avs.
The Avalanche's title run was almost entirely at Quebec's expense, making them the rest of Canada's favorite American team ever.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:41 pm to DFWAggie09
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However, it occurred to me that since both teams are in the playoffs there's a chance one could end up winning it all. What if I pick Colorado for instance, and they go on to win the cup? That would suck, as it would directly violate one of the biggest things that I am vehemently against. Quite the conundrum.
Put your mind at ease by picking the Stars and knowing that they will not win the Cup this year and are playing with house money being in the playoffs ahead of rebuilding schedule. Plus, if they do it will be the most intense and rewarding professional sports playoff ride of your life.
On the hockey side, the team is very young(top line ages are 24/22/19) and inexperienced in the playoffs, but they're one of the best all-around skating teams in the league and are fun to watch.
They've got undersized, 2nd and 3rd line defenseman playing 30 mins a game and trying to battle Getzlaf and Perry this series, and they'll be outmatched on the blue line against anyone in the playoffs.
The team is the definition of underdogs this year but they've got top offensive talent and a goalie who can win a series himself when he's on point.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:42 pm to WG_Dawg
Come be a Wild fan with me. Strength in numbers
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:53 pm to Patton
I considered them, they seem kinda off the radar.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:53 pm to DFWAggie09
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DFWAggie09
I thought I had him earlier in this thread. I could feel his preference swaying to the good guys in green. Then I got outnumbered and everyone started blowing smoke up his arse about the Avs & StL and he started falling to the power of the darkside before I knew it.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:21 pm to TTownTiger
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TTownTiger
That's alright. He'll regret choosing the Avs once Varlamov gets sent to prison for beating up his girlfriend again and Roy names himself player/coach next season.
Benn, Seguin, Kari and Jim Nill will lead us back to the promised land sooner rather than later and we'll be back to brushing off the Avs in the WCF like we used to.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:26 pm to TTownTiger
quote:
I thought I had him earlier in this thread. I could feel his preference swaying to the good guys in green. Then I got outnumbered and everyone started blowing smoke up his arse about the Avs & StL and he started falling to the power of the darkside before I knew it.
Dallas is certainly intriguing, and to be honest I like their color scheme more than Col/Stl. But I've got to take everything into consideration.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:39 pm to WG_Dawg
Why dont you jump on the Nashville Predators wagon with me. I am moving there possibly, so I figure I will go all aboard. Nashville is a cool city, a southern city, and solid jersey/colors.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:40 pm to lsupride87
I love nashville, and they're close, but I thought I heard that aren't really very good.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:41 pm to WG_Dawg
Last two years they havent been, but previously they were good. A really physical team. Just fired their coach.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:44 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:They arent from the research Ive done. But I figure by living in South Louisiana my whole life, I willed the Saints to a miraculous super bowl, I might as well do the same while im in Nashville
I love nashville, and they're close, but I thought I heard that aren't really very good.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:46 pm to WG_Dawg
Why not the Carolina Hurricanes?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 3:08 pm to USAF Hart
No reason really, they just don't wow me. They would be the closest though.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 3:21 pm to WG_Dawg
You already like the Dolphins, so go with the Panthers.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 3:43 pm to Korin
They aren't in the playoffs so they certainly aren't a power team. But I've been following the Canucks for the last 25 years or so and they always let me down so if it's heartache you want go Canucks. They've also got a decent enough color scheme that I don't mind wearing their gear (used to hate the brown, yellow and orange).
But if you want tradition you can't really go wrong with any of the "Original 6".
Montreal Canadiens
Toronto Maple Leafs
Boston Bruins
Chicago Blackhawks
Detroit Red Wings
New York Rangers
But if you want tradition you can't really go wrong with any of the "Original 6".
Montreal Canadiens
Toronto Maple Leafs
Boston Bruins
Chicago Blackhawks
Detroit Red Wings
New York Rangers
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:27 pm to WG_Dawg
Dallas is sneaky good.
If you're a stats guy, listen up. If you're not, stop reading now. The biggest concept in hockey "fancystats", a derisive name that the stat geeks have proudly adopted is that of possession. You win by tilting the ice in your favor. Teams with better possession win. the best possession teams year in and year out are Boston, Chicago, and LA... you know, the best teams in the league.
OK, possession is tough to measure as there is no time of possession stat, so we use a stand in: shots attempted. Corsi measures shots on goal + shots wide of net + blocked shots. Fenwick is the same minus the blocked shots. Additionally, score effects heavily influence Corsi and Fenwick, as teams that are winning tend not to press as much and give up possession in exchange for territory and time. Anyway, this has lead to the creation of FenClose, Fenwick when the game is within 1 or tied in the final 5 minutes.
Still with me?
OK, good. Here's this year's top FenClose teams:
LA 56.5%
Chicago 55.1%
SJ 54.7%
Boston 54.%
Now, let's check in on Dallas, St. Louis, Nashville, and Colorado
St. Louis 53.3%
Dallas 51.8%
Nashville 50.7%
Colorado 46.9%
In fact, the Avs have the fourth worst FenClose in the NHL. If you're a fancystat guy, the Avs are an awful choice, and Dallas has far better underlying metrics. They haven't seen the wins yet, but stat geeks would argue that the performance is already there, results will follow.
If you're a stats guy, listen up. If you're not, stop reading now. The biggest concept in hockey "fancystats", a derisive name that the stat geeks have proudly adopted is that of possession. You win by tilting the ice in your favor. Teams with better possession win. the best possession teams year in and year out are Boston, Chicago, and LA... you know, the best teams in the league.
OK, possession is tough to measure as there is no time of possession stat, so we use a stand in: shots attempted. Corsi measures shots on goal + shots wide of net + blocked shots. Fenwick is the same minus the blocked shots. Additionally, score effects heavily influence Corsi and Fenwick, as teams that are winning tend not to press as much and give up possession in exchange for territory and time. Anyway, this has lead to the creation of FenClose, Fenwick when the game is within 1 or tied in the final 5 minutes.
Still with me?
OK, good. Here's this year's top FenClose teams:
LA 56.5%
Chicago 55.1%
SJ 54.7%
Boston 54.%
Now, let's check in on Dallas, St. Louis, Nashville, and Colorado
St. Louis 53.3%
Dallas 51.8%
Nashville 50.7%
Colorado 46.9%
In fact, the Avs have the fourth worst FenClose in the NHL. If you're a fancystat guy, the Avs are an awful choice, and Dallas has far better underlying metrics. They haven't seen the wins yet, but stat geeks would argue that the performance is already there, results will follow.
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