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Snowden and Putin really throwing it down on us now.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:06 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:06 am
I had sympathy for Snowden when we initially went after him but I have difficulty siding with him when he openly humiliates us together with one of our enemies. I know he has a legitimate ax to grind but he is truly walking the treason tightrope in my opinion.
[quote]Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked details of U.S. intelligence eavesdropping, asked Putin a question during the televised call-in show, Reuters reported. According to the report, this exchange was the first known direct contact between Snowden and Putin since Russia granted Snowden asylum last summer. Snowden reportedly submitted his question in a video clip and it was not immediately clear if he was speaking live or if it had been recorded earlier."Does Russia intercept, store or analyze, in any way, the communications of millions of individuals?" Snowden said, also asking whether Putin thinks improving the effectiveness of investigations justifies "placing societies .. under surveillance."Putin, who was a spy during Soviet rule, said: "You are an ex-agent. I used to have ties to intelligence."According to Reuters, Putin said Russia regulates communications as part of criminal probes, but "on a massive scale, on an uncontrolled scale we certainly do not allow this and I hope we will never allow it."Putin said authorities need consent from a court to conduct such surveillance on a specific individual, Reuters reported.
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[quote]Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked details of U.S. intelligence eavesdropping, asked Putin a question during the televised call-in show, Reuters reported. According to the report, this exchange was the first known direct contact between Snowden and Putin since Russia granted Snowden asylum last summer. Snowden reportedly submitted his question in a video clip and it was not immediately clear if he was speaking live or if it had been recorded earlier."Does Russia intercept, store or analyze, in any way, the communications of millions of individuals?" Snowden said, also asking whether Putin thinks improving the effectiveness of investigations justifies "placing societies .. under surveillance."Putin, who was a spy during Soviet rule, said: "You are an ex-agent. I used to have ties to intelligence."According to Reuters, Putin said Russia regulates communications as part of criminal probes, but "on a massive scale, on an uncontrolled scale we certainly do not allow this and I hope we will never allow it."Putin said authorities need consent from a court to conduct such surveillance on a specific individual, Reuters reported.
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:10 am to DanTiger
I understand people having different views on Snowden but I'm not certain why this exchange with Putin would be a catalyst for changing those views. For me, I appreciate what he has brought to light.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:14 am to DanTiger
I still don't care... I'm glad Snowden did what he did to expose the US Government for what they were doing to their own citizens.
Did he break the law? Yes
Has what he did cost the life of a US Citizen? No
Did he break the law? Yes
Has what he did cost the life of a US Citizen? No
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:38 am to DanTiger
Still don't understand how someone can go to bat for this fricking douche bag. Says frick the U.S., he wants to live in a democratic country that respects the privacy rights of its citizens, then abruptly catches a plane from Hong Kong to Russia.
And now he's bellying up to one of the worst authoritarians in the world. I hope somebody puts a fricking bullet through his head.
And now he's bellying up to one of the worst authoritarians in the world. I hope somebody puts a fricking bullet through his head.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 10:39 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:41 am to DanTiger
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Putin said: "I used to have ties to intelligence."
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:00 am to DanTiger
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You are an ex-agent. I used to have ties to intelligence."According to Reuters, Putin said Russia regulates communications as part of criminal probes, but "on a massive scale, on an uncontrolled scale we certainly do not allow this and I hope we will never allow it."Putin said authorities need consent from a court to conduct such surveillance on a specific individual, Reuters reported.
Putin then asked Snowden if he would like some polonium-enhanced Stevia to go with his tea.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:33 am to DanTiger
Who has done more damage to America, Snowden or Obama. One was elected twice.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:33 pm to DanTiger
Edward Snowden, Putin's Pawn
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:11 pm to DanTiger
If the state didn't do everything that Snowden says they did, I'd have a problem. The sad part is what he is saying is true.
Obama wanting to make the police state bigger just tells you the direction and destination we're headed in. Snowden didn't make this situation, and if the Russians are holding it over the govt's head, they brought it on themselves.
Obama wanting to make the police state bigger just tells you the direction and destination we're headed in. Snowden didn't make this situation, and if the Russians are holding it over the govt's head, they brought it on themselves.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:53 pm to DanTiger
One point about Snowden should have turned himself in....
People are so naive and ignorant if they think Snowden could have successfully blown the whistle using "proper" channels. frick no, the gov't may talk a good game about transparency and honesty but that is complete lip service bullshite. They only want to get Snowden black bagged and stick him in a hole in the middle of nowhere. The number one instinct of the state is self preservation and image maintenance. It doesnt matter how noble it may be, if it makes the gov't uncomfortable, they're putting an end to that shite any way possible. We wouldn't have heard anything at all out of Snowden had he gone through the "proper" channels and gov't would be getting away with more bull shite lol.
Theres a difference between embarrassing a gov't as opposed to the citizens of this country.
What's wrong with embarrassing your gov't that's doing shady and wrong shite and calling them the frick out on it? We all feel embarrased when we frick up and do wrong shite. The state is no different.
Embarrassment spurs you to take steps to correct the behavior that led to this and it's needed for the gov't we have today on not just the issues Snowden is concerned about but everything else including the abomination of a fiscal situation we have today.
People are so naive and ignorant if they think Snowden could have successfully blown the whistle using "proper" channels. frick no, the gov't may talk a good game about transparency and honesty but that is complete lip service bullshite. They only want to get Snowden black bagged and stick him in a hole in the middle of nowhere. The number one instinct of the state is self preservation and image maintenance. It doesnt matter how noble it may be, if it makes the gov't uncomfortable, they're putting an end to that shite any way possible. We wouldn't have heard anything at all out of Snowden had he gone through the "proper" channels and gov't would be getting away with more bull shite lol.
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meant to embarrass the United States and he seems to be happily participating.
Theres a difference between embarrassing a gov't as opposed to the citizens of this country.
What's wrong with embarrassing your gov't that's doing shady and wrong shite and calling them the frick out on it? We all feel embarrased when we frick up and do wrong shite. The state is no different.
Embarrassment spurs you to take steps to correct the behavior that led to this and it's needed for the gov't we have today on not just the issues Snowden is concerned about but everything else including the abomination of a fiscal situation we have today.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:53 pm to DanTiger
I wonder, do you have difficulty with the fact that most of this board is openingly siding with our enemy Putin?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:04 pm to DanTiger
quote:You're opinion proves you're a fricking idiot. The USA deserves to be humiliated for the piece of shite country it has become. The America federal government is the REAL enemy here. But you're a dumb shite and don't know better.
I had sympathy for Snowden when we initially went after him but I have difficulty siding with him when he openly humiliates us together with one of our enemies. I know he has a legitimate ax to grind but he is truly walking the treason tightrope in my opinion.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:18 pm to DanTiger
Even though Snowden's motivations may have been principled, he is still a traitor who should be killed or thrown in a prison until he is dead.
There were other, far less damaging ways for him to blow the whistle on the NSA. He took the coward's way out and sold his information to foreign governments.
There were other, far less damaging ways for him to blow the whistle on the NSA. He took the coward's way out and sold his information to foreign governments.
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