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re: Positions drafted in 1st RD by Saints that would anger you
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:53 pm to goatmilker
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:53 pm to goatmilker
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goatmilker
yes Blues I follow you. That's pretty much how I see it. If the guy that "falls" is clearly superior to your next up on the list, then you pick him regardless of position. So let's say Bridgewater falls to 27 and is rated 8 on Saints board, you want them to take him?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:53 pm to Sophandros
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None of this year's QB crop screams first round to me.
but...but...JOHNNY FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 4/16/14 at 2:30 pm to Midget Death Squad
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So let's say Bridgewater falls to 27 and is rated 8 on Saints board, you want them to take him?
you missed THAT DISCUSSION
You can think Aaron Rodgers as the upside example. Similar circumstances/scenario as here. But the list is much longer of failed late 1st Rd QBs-
Weeden 22
Tebow 25
Brady Quinn 22
Jason Campbell 25
J.P. Losman 22
Rex Grossman 22
Patrick Ramsey 32
Jim Drukenmiller 26
Tommy Maddox 25
(never take a QB at #22!)
I'd pass on Bridgewater unless you were extremely bare at value and need fits. I think he ends up closer to the long list of guys than Rodgers career-wise. I would take Bortles or Manziel at #27. That is far fetched enough to know you would have trade suitors if so.
I have Carr as the #3 QB on my board anyway.
If Cleveland takes no QB at #4 I could see them taking Carr over Bridgewater at #26.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 2:44 pm to blueslover
I don't know much about the QB's, so I will agree with you given your assessment. What I'm curious to know is if you would be happy if Saints actually were to pick Bridgewater at 27 in lieu of any of the other need positions or trading back
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:29 pm to Midget Death Squad
I'd pass on Bridgewater unless you were extremely bare at value and need fits.
The borderline guys I'd take before him-
CBs Fuller, Roby, Verrett
LBs Attaochu, Shazier
DL Ealy, Nix, Hageman
WRs Cooks, Beckham, Lee
The borderline guys I'd take before him-
CBs Fuller, Roby, Verrett
LBs Attaochu, Shazier
DL Ealy, Nix, Hageman
WRs Cooks, Beckham, Lee
Posted on 4/16/14 at 6:12 pm to blueslover
I'm not a fan of Bridgewater at all, so I'd still be upset with him at 27.
Kind of surprised at people saying Center. Sure it wouldn't likely be BPA, but it is our most glaring need. If the FO is set on Richburg, and think he is a day 1 starter and future Pro Browler, but were worried about him not being there at 58, it could be a possibility. And if he did become a Day 1 starter and future Pro Bowler, then 27 would be well worth it. I'm not saying I want it to happen, but I wouldn't be mad at it. The good thing about if we sign Goodwin is it will allow us to not "over draft" a Center.
Kind of surprised at people saying Center. Sure it wouldn't likely be BPA, but it is our most glaring need. If the FO is set on Richburg, and think he is a day 1 starter and future Pro Browler, but were worried about him not being there at 58, it could be a possibility. And if he did become a Day 1 starter and future Pro Bowler, then 27 would be well worth it. I'm not saying I want it to happen, but I wouldn't be mad at it. The good thing about if we sign Goodwin is it will allow us to not "over draft" a Center.
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 4/16/14 at 6:21 pm to mm2316
The problem isn't that it wouldn't be BPA, it wouldn't be BPA by a long shot. They have what, 1 center with a second round grade?
But like I said it wouldn't anger me, just surprise me.
And now if we do sign Goodwin, it would surprise me a hell of a lot more.
But like I said it wouldn't anger me, just surprise me.
And now if we do sign Goodwin, it would surprise me a hell of a lot more.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 6:29 pm to Midget Death Squad
Besides the obvious ones like K, P, LS, and FB, I would say RB and S.
We are overflowing with talent at safety and there are no running backs remotely worth a first rounder this year.
Positions like OT or QB would just be about value. If Bridgewater falls, the team should take him because if he works out, then in a few years you don't worry about the pressure of bringing in a rookie and the team doesn't hit a wall.
As for OT, Strief is getting older, Armstead is still relatively unproven, and those guys can usually make the move to guard.
My first pick would still probably be Kyle Fuller.
We are overflowing with talent at safety and there are no running backs remotely worth a first rounder this year.
Positions like OT or QB would just be about value. If Bridgewater falls, the team should take him because if he works out, then in a few years you don't worry about the pressure of bringing in a rookie and the team doesn't hit a wall.
As for OT, Strief is getting older, Armstead is still relatively unproven, and those guys can usually make the move to guard.
My first pick would still probably be Kyle Fuller.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 6:36 pm to Zoombop
quote:Olinemen last longer than most position in the league so I'm not worried about Strief's age(and he will DEFINITELY be here 2 years at the least barring a bad injury just looking at his contract).
As for OT, Strief is getting older, Armstead is still relatively unproven, and those guys can usually make the move to guard.
I'm also completely sold on Armstead. The difference between him and Brown was staggering and Armstead faced some of the tougher lines in his stretch. He struggled for 1 half against Hardy and Johnson, made half time adjustments, and came out and played extremely well since.
But I do like your point about either the rookie or one of the vets sliding over to guard. We definitely need to shed some money there and get younger. If they have and OT they think can play guard or an OG sitting there and the OT is rated a good bit higher, take the OT.
Good call.
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 4/16/14 at 6:50 pm to bonethug0108
I agree, signing Goodwin would be a different situation. I'm just playing devil's advocate about a Center at 27. We also have to remember we only get the rankings that the media gives us. If the team has Richburg rated in their top 40, I wouldn't be upset to use 27 to grab him and fill our last glaring need. Especially if he's the next Alex Mack.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:15 pm to mm2316
I could see that. It would still surprise me, but I can see it.
I actually joked that if anyone would go all Cowboys in the first and draft a center it would be us and everyone would flip out. It's definitely possible. Just would be a surprise.
I actually joked that if anyone would go all Cowboys in the first and draft a center it would be us and everyone would flip out. It's definitely possible. Just would be a surprise.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:46 pm to bonethug0108
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating that the team should take an OT in the first, but I trust their judgement if they make that choice.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:19 am to Midget Death Squad
te would. safety..
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:23 am to Midget Death Squad
probably only DL or Safety
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:00 am to blueslover
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CBs Fuller, Verrett
These guys are mid-2nd rounders on a lot of people's boards. If the name isn't Dennard or Gilbert, I think it would be a huge mistake for our team to draft DB at 27 this draft. HUGE.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:50 am to WhoDatTigahsTampa
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These guys are mid-2nd rounders on a lot of people's boards
Those would be the not so up to date boards. Fuller has the fastest rising stock of the CBs. He is finding his way to the #2 CB spot on many boards now. I mocked him 1st Rd but the chance of him even being available is diminishing.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:08 am to blueslover
Yeah, I think Fuller is a great example on why fans shouldn't put too much stock into media rankings. 2 months ago all everyone was saying was Fuller was mostly a Zone CB, and teams that don't play a lot of zone should stay away. Come March amd April, and some of the media guys start watching film and see that he can excel in man as well. Meanwhile, teams' scouting departments have been watching these players for years, and have a way better idea of what these guys can and can't do than any of the media types.
A guy like Fuller doesn't shoot up the boards because of workouts, rather the guys at ESPN and other channels are just catching up. Pretty much the same way with the ones that have Barr and Dennard dropping.
A guy like Fuller doesn't shoot up the boards because of workouts, rather the guys at ESPN and other channels are just catching up. Pretty much the same way with the ones that have Barr and Dennard dropping.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 10:10 am
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