This isn't quite the slam dunk that you think it is.

Measles was going away before vaccines.

The percentage of people that died from measles in the US when vaccines were introduced was roughly .0002%. More people die of diabetes, yet we continue to make processed sugar and food.

Herd immunity in combination with better living conditions and nutrition was lowering the death rate, while the human body was gradually learning to deal with the virus in a non fatal way.

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Posted by Volvagia

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Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:55 pm to Sleeping Tiger

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The percentage of people that died from measles in the US when vaccines were introduced was roughly .0002%.

You seem to know a thing or two about epidemiology so it's curious that you added this fact in spite of being illrelevant.

It's like arguing that Ebola isn't really that bad because .00000000000000001 Americans die from it.

That's lower than the rate of amusement park deaths!

Even today, with all of the supportive care and nutrition, mortality of measles is around .1%

Yes, it's still low.

But it is so rediciously easy and cheap to prevent that even that one out of a 1000 is too high.

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Posted by Upperaltiger06

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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:02 am to Sleeping Tiger

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The percentage of people that died from measles in the US when vaccines were introduced was roughly .0002%. More people die of diabetes, yet we continue to make processed sugar and food.

Nice post. It's interesting how people jump on the 'science bandwagon' and attack antivaxers when there are much more pressing issues that are never mentioned. Most of the science bandwagoners would call Bloomberg's attempt at limiting soda consumption communism or some bullshite when sugar consumption and other lifestyle factors contribute to more illness and death than infectious diseases in industrialized nations.

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Posted by TunaTigers

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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:15 am to Sleeping Tiger

Show me the incidence of measles not the death rate when looking at vaccinations.

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Posted by Scruffy

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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:17 am to Sleeping Tiger

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The percentage of people that died from measles in the US when vaccines were introduced was roughly .0002%. More people die of diabetes, yet we continue to make processed sugar and food.

You described deaths.

What was the rate of occurrence of measles pre-vaccination? There are other terrible outcomes from measles besides death.

I went and looked up the information for you.

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Measles can be prevented by the combination MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) vaccine. In the decade before the measles vaccination program began, an estimated 3–4 million people in the United States were infected each year, of whom 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and another 1,000 developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis. Widespread use of measles vaccine has led to a greater than 99% reduction in measles cases in the United States compared with the pre-vaccine era, and in 2012, only 55 cases of measles were reported in the United States.

Would you rather prevent the disease or treat it? The reason deaths decreased is because we became better with treatment.

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