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re: Why are CCPs So Expensive in Mississippi?

Posted on 3/1/14 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by Pat Sajak
New Orleans
Member since May 2009
755 posts
Posted on 3/1/14 at 9:54 pm to
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No offense to anybody who has posted, but every time I think I can't be surprised by unsophisticated, silly high-drama threads on this board -- I seem to run across one like this.


What is the point of this inflammatory remark? Just to piss people off? Just to quip while riding your high horse, looking down on the lowly peasant poster of the OD board?

I now tell you to go unsophisticatedly unfrick yourself.
Posted by MaroonWhite
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Member since Oct 2012
3698 posts
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:41 pm to
If people had to fill out a form and pay a fee to the state in order attend church, vote, or write a letter to the editor, there would be insurrection in this country.

I don't understand why the Second Amendment is treated differently than any of the other rights that are confirmed in the Constitution. Fundamental rights should not be "allowed" by the government based on the ability to pay by the governed.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
39224 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 8:19 am to
you can open carry for free in LA
you can carry in your car or home for free in LA

if you want to carry concealed it costs 25/year. You get fingerprinted and background-checked

yes it is a hassle but hardly an insurmountable obstacle
Posted by LSUCouyon
ONTHELAKEATDELHI, La.
Member since Oct 2006
11329 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 8:59 am to
I guess they have to charge a lot of money to pay that crew to process the applications while they sit on the desk for six months. I have been told there are only 2-3 people that work on this in BR. It takes so long because of the sudden surge in the past few years. Big question- what did they do BEFORE the surge?
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
Member since Oct 2012
6416 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:57 am to
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Why are CCPs So Expensive in Mississippi?


Because thousands of people will pay it.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63883 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:57 am to
quote:

you can open carry for free in LA
you can carry in your car or home for free in LA

if you want to carry concealed it costs 25/year.


Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 7:49 pm to
quote:

What is the point of this inflammatory remark? Just to piss people off? Just to quip while riding your high horse, looking down on the lowly peasant poster of the OD board?



Dear Mr. Sajak:

1. I don't own a horse.

2. If my post "pissed you off," you may be in need of need some professional counseling. Reading comprehension is your friend.

3. If you can't afford $25 per year, call me and I may be able to help (Gee. We're talking about $.50 per week). But if you can't qualify for other reasons (still a teenager, criminal record, dishonorable discharge from the military, addicted to drugs, etc.), I can't (and won't try to) help.

4. For Mr. Bapple I can only express amazement. For months he's been posting all about having become a Concealed Handgun instructor and how he counsels his students. But when he posts that he can't find a place to teach, and then acknowledges he advises students to break the law, and posts that he wishes he had learned more about the laws that pertain to CCW in Louisiana before becoming an instructor-- suddenly he's opposed to "exorbitant" CCW fees (telling us it's "criminal" to charge him 7 cents per day).

5. I don't claim to be an expert in matters that pertain to guns or CCW. But whether you like it or not, carrying concealed is a privilege in Louisiana (deemed to be so by the Legislature, with rules that spell out the circumstances under which that privilege can be revoked). This privilege is extended to those who have obtained at least a modicum of training through the state's CHP program. Mike Foster pushed this program through when he was first elected Governor -- and there was nothing racist about the program.

People make choices on their spending priorities. If some people choose to not get a permit, that's fine. But claiming it's some kind of racist conspiracy sounds like the sort of crap a philosophy teacher at Berkeley or some other liberal institution would sprout.

6. Those people posting//bragging about the lack of requirements for classes where they live (presumably Alabama or Mississippi) would do well to look at the conviction of Michael Dunn over in Florida (the so-called "loud music murder case").

Florida waives training for people who have hunter safety cards, people with experienced in organized "shooting sports" (like trap or skeet), people with military service, etc. Apparently none of these people ever get exposed to the laws that govern the rules of engagement, and the statutes that apply to the use of deadly force in Florida -- until they're arrested and charged with murder.

Mr. Dunn clearly had no clue, or else totally ignored, the laws and rules in the state of Florida that pertain to the justified use of deadly force. Now he's facing a minimum of 60 years in prison, and will get additional time if he's convicted when he gets re-tried on the first degree murder charge.

If that's the system you think we should have in Louisiana, you certainly have a right to your opinion. And you have the privilege of expressing it on a forum such as this. But when you post unsubstantiated opinions, please don't get your undies in the proverbial wad when someone disagrees.

In closing I don't think I've said anything that constitutes a personal attack on another member. But if I have I'll be happy to apologize.

p.s. KR has it right when he alludes to the fact that some people know how to handle firearms and some (most) do not. Louisiana's CHP classes serve to at least weed out the people who are completely incompetent.
This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 7:59 pm
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11924 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:05 pm to
I'm certainly not perfect and am young in my time in firearm instruction, but I have never told anyone to directly break the law, no matter how menial the law is or how much I disagree with it.

In regards to you thinking I complain about it costing "too much," I stand behind my opinion that I think it's ridiculous to have to pay another person or entity to carry concealed. Even though Louisiana state laws state it's a privilege to carry in deep cover, I personally don't think it is. Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean it's not what I teach my students. That is the law as it is written today and I make that abundantly clear.

And for the record, my opinion of constitutional carry is not all that unpopular. I know of other highly esteemed firearm instructors who agree with me on the topic. I am no law expert to know of other things that would need to occur for constitutional carry to be feasible in Louisiana, but I'm sure it can be done. Total freedom may have some risks but I would prefer to face these risks than to have to pay another entity for the right carry concealed.
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