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Daily Bitcoin Article

Posted on 2/21/14 at 10:47 am
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 10:47 am
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Hey John Galt, how do you like your unregulated currency now? Bitcoin plunging in value, specifically on exchange Mt. Gox under $100 while in the rest of the world Bitcoins trade for right around $600.

The reason? An old fashioned run on the bank at Mt. Gox. This is a virtual version of the scene in It’s a Wonderful Life when Jimmy Stewart goes to Bailey Savings and Loan. Similary, the Bitcoin depositors at Mt. Gox can't get their money out. That’s the problem with these shady, gray market exchanges; they essentially crush Bitcoin’s value when you can’t convert it to cold hard cash.

Mt. Gox is basically dead as a doornail. It’s gone folks, it’s sad, but Mt. Gox has a serious reputation problem when you can’t take your money out. This is what it looks like when you don’t regulate currency. It’s a beautiful idea to say this currency can’t be manipulated because all the little wonks went into computer labs and sat in Mom’s basement and made this program where you mine a virtual currency, and the Fed can’t make it worthless. But actually, you can make it worthless.

If something can be manipulated, it will, and if you lost 90% of your value on Mt. Gox, well you might as well go to Japan and figure out who these mystery people are, and ask them if you can have a dime on every dollar you have in the exchange.

This is going to be the issue with Bitcoin. It still might become a legitimate currency, but it depends on acceptance and whether or not this whole 90% decline in value in one day thing keeps happening.


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Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
5418 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 10:50 am to
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If something can be manipulated, it will, and if you lost 90% of your value on Mt. Gox


My question remains, and maybe it has been answered I am just too ignorant on this to comprehend, but:

How does Mt. Gox own these coins? Even if I was to use them for exchange, shouldn't they be in MY wallet after purchase?
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 10:50 am to
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Daily Bitcoin Article



yay!!!!!!

Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17533 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 10:50 am to
This whole thing is mind boggling
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7765 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 10:57 am to
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How does Mt. Gox own these coins?

Think of it like this.

Mt Gox = Etrade
Bitcoins = Stocks

It's the same as if you deposit money into Etrade and buy stocks. Then, one day you want to sell your stocks and/or withdraw your money. Etrade says sorry, we've frozen accts and you'll have access in a few days.

Not exactly the same, but it's as close of an analogy I could think of quickly.
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 10:57 am to
quote:

How does Mt. Gox own these coins? Even if I was to use them for exchange, shouldn't they be in MY wallet after purchase?



They are yours, in the sense of the money in your bank account is yours. Only in a way sketchier manner, because they aren't regulated or even legally obligated to ensure that you get you BTC. After the purchase of the BTC, it is transferred to your section of MT.Gox's wallet that is allocated for your account. If it is not moved from there to your person private wallet, then you get fricked when something like this happens. It really is on the people who trusted MtGox, and used them like their bank. If they're that ignorant and irresponsible to leave thousands of dollars in an institution that has been compromised over and over again, whether it be from the inside or the out, then they got what was coming to them.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 10:59 am
Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
5418 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 10:59 am to
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brucevilanch & htownjeep



This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 11:00 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109350 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 10:59 am to
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They are yours, in the sense of the money in your bank account is yours. Only in a way sketchier manner, because they aren't regulated or even legally obligated to ensure that you get you BTC. After the purchase of the BTC, it is transferred to your section of MT.Gox's wallet that is allocated for your account. If it is not moved from there to your person private wallet, then you get fricked when something like this happens. It really is on the people who trusted MtGox, and used them like their bank. If they're that ignorant and irresponsible to leave thousands of dollars in an institution that has been compromised over and over again, whether it be from the inside or the out, then they got what was coming to them.


Can one "own" bitcoins that aren't somehow tied into an exchange like MtGox?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133373 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 10:59 am to
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If they're that ignorant and irresponsible to leave thousands of dollars in an institution that has been compromised over and over again, whether it be from the inside or the out, then they got what was coming to them.

You can't cure stupid.
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:00 am to
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Not exactly the same, but it's as close of an analogy I could think of quickly.



It was a very good one.
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Can one "own" bitcoins that aren't somehow tied into an exchange like MtGox?



Oh yeah, you can purchase them from places like Coinbase. They are located here in the United States and must follow by our laws. I use them to sell my bitcoins, and have had nothing but a pleasant experience.

You can buy them privately, but you must use an exchange that provides and escrow service to ensure that you don't get ripped off.

Posted by rn4j0rr
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:02 pm to
What a stupid article.

I got my 60 GH/s miner still mining BTC and around 4000 KH/s mining DOGE atm.

Crypto currencies are here to stay ;)
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7765 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:11 pm to
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Crypto currencies are here to stay ;)

Neither the article nor anyone on here has stated any different (to my knowledge).
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:19 pm to
Why are you still mining doge? That shite forked 3 days ago, and since the halving it's only worth about $15-20 a day at 4m/h. The community is still good though. I'm surprised the difficulty has stayed as high as it has with all the multipool dropping off of it. There's better options out there.
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7765 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:26 pm to
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brucevilanch

Can you be the new face of Bitcoin and the likes?

You seem knowledgeable and level headed about the subject and not driven to push an agenda at all costs.
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

Neither the article nor anyone on here has stated any different (to my knowledge).



He right and wrong at the same time. The highly profitable GPU scrypt mining is coming to the end of it's life cycle. The ASICs are coming, and it's going to destroy them unless their devs fork to scrypt adaptive-N algorithm. I've been mining VTC, which is adaptive-N, and it's impervious to the ASICs. There was another coin that was Adaptive-N that I had been mining since it's launch last week. Was making out like a bandit all week, until the devs dumped about 800 million coins, and the market took a 85% dive over night. Luckily, I sell immediately, so I didn't lose any potential profit, but a lot of miners and investors lost thousands. I actually bought at the bottom after they dumped. I was thinking that the market would pump it back up for a bit, kind of like a death rattle, and it did. Then, I just said frick it and let it ride while I went to bed. Woke up and it was down %50 from the price I bought it at, with only 10 buy orders and thousands of sell orders.

Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

Can you be the new face of Bitcoin and the likes?

You seem knowledgeable and level headed about the subject and not driven to push an agenda at all costs.



I'm just an average guy who treats it like a business. I can't push an agenda I don't believe in.
Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
5418 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

I'm just an average guy who treats it like a business. I can't push an agenda I don't believe in.


Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24405 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:33 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133373 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

The highly profitable GPU scrypt mining is coming to the end of it's life cycle. The ASICs are coming, and it's going to destroy them unless their devs fork to scrypt adaptive-N algorithm. I've been mining VTC, which is adaptive-N, and it's impervious to the ASICs. There was another coin that was Adaptive-N that I had been mining since it's launch last week.

Sweetie, I know you think you're being helpful explaining something to us, but you're really not.....


This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 1:06 pm
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