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re: Bitstamp Halts Withdrawls
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:38 am to Broke
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:38 am to Broke
With the 'value' of btc dropping by approximately half over the last 6 months, if coinbase owned stocks instead of btc, they would be subject to a margin call.....
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 8:47 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:42 am to LSURussian
You smell that? Capitulation
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:50 am to Lsut81
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So reading through this thread trying to gain knowledge on Bitcoin.... I didn't realize that the transaction HAD to go through one of the third party softwares.
That's what you got out of reading this thread?
Sigh.
It seems like JayDeerTay as well all the others in the peanut gallery have the same misunderstandings.
Well, to correct you: No, transactions do not have to go through the third parties. Transactions in bitcoin are peer to peer. Companies like BitPay and Coinbase, however, provide an OPTIONAL solution for merchants to utilize so that they don't have to assume any exchange rate risk. Merchants can directly accept bitcoin without utilizing any third parties if they so choose.
Why are these concepts so difficult for most of y'all to understand?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:51 am to Broke
Remember when wiki and josh both vouched for MtGox, even arguing with you I believe it was, when you called it the "Magic Mountain" or something like that?
Of course, back then they thought MG was so terrific because it was the largest btc exchange and its prices always valued btc a few dollars higher than the other exchanges. Our resident bitcoinistas justified the higher price by telling us it was because how large MG was and how much safer they were.
Now that MG has all but collapsed with their btc prices averaging $150/btc LESS than the other exchanges, suddenly that exchange is just a bunch of incompetents. (BTC is down to $494 on Mt Gox this morning.)
Strange how that works....
Of course, back then they thought MG was so terrific because it was the largest btc exchange and its prices always valued btc a few dollars higher than the other exchanges. Our resident bitcoinistas justified the higher price by telling us it was because how large MG was and how much safer they were.
Now that MG has all but collapsed with their btc prices averaging $150/btc LESS than the other exchanges, suddenly that exchange is just a bunch of incompetents. (BTC is down to $494 on Mt Gox this morning.)
Strange how that works....
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 8:57 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:57 am to WikiTiger
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Merchants can directly accept bitcoin without utilizing any third parties if they so choose.
So I just write my bitcoin protocol number on a sheet of paper and hand it to the person???
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:57 am to LSURussian
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With the 'value' of btc dropping by approximately half over the last 6 months
Bitcoin price on August 13th, 2013 (6 months ago)
MtGox: $108.60
Bitstamp: $97.95
BTC-e: $95.00
Bitcoin price on February 13th, 2014
MtGox: $502.00
Bitstamp: $647.00
BTC-e: $628.70
You suck at math. Or are you going to try and wiggle around and say that you were referring to the all-time high price and not really referring to the price it was 6 months ago?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:02 am to Lsut81
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So I just write my bitcoin protocol number on a sheet of paper and hand it to the person???
If you're a web site then you just display your address and/or a QR code on the order page.
If you're a brick and mortar merchant, then your POS system can display the QR code which can be scanned by a users cell phone. Or you could print the QR code on the receipt to be scanned.
Here's a POS system that just announced bitcoin integration today: Revel Systems iPad POS Introduces Bitcoin Integration. There are others as well.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:03 am to WikiTiger
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Merchants can directly accept bitcoin without utilizing any third parties if they so choose.
Just a new flash for you. They don't want fricking bitcoin. They want US dollars. That's the reason for the immediate conversion. This isn't some revolutionary deal for them, it's novelty.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:04 am to WikiTiger
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MtGox: $502.00
Bitstamp: $647.00
BTC-e: $628.70
Sweet Mother of Mary.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:06 am to Broke
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Sweet Mother of Mary
I know what you're thinking. It's basically like dealing with various drug dealers.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:07 am to WikiTiger
When you click on the "6 month" price history on bitcoinity.com it shows the high price over the last six months to be $1,242.
quote:And you suck at reading comprehension skills. The price of btc has dropped by around 50% "over the past 6 months." That is an accurate statement in spite of your attempt for a gotcha moment. Loser.
You suck at math.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:08 am to Broke
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Just a new flash for you. They don't want fricking bitcoin. They want US dollars. That's the reason for the immediate conversion. This isn't some revolutionary deal for them, it's novelty.
Josh said it best earlier in this thread:
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You can't just jump to the final stage without developing first.
The funny thing is that y'all have had your heads so far up your asses over the past 2 years or so that we've been debating this stuff that you fail to recognize the developments as they happen right in front of your faces.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:11 am to WikiTiger
For those interested, here's a nice blog post about bitcoin that ignores all the political and emotional aspects of it: I was invited to a meeting at the Federal Reserve, and these are the 4 predictions I made.
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Yesterday, I was invited to The Saint Louis Federal Reserve to speak with a couple of people in the institution about why a business owner like me would be willing to accept Bitcoin. We met informally over lunch, and I was actually quiet pleased with how much my lunch companions knew about the Bitcoin system.
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Our conversation wasn’t about monetary policy or politics; I believe that they were genuinely curious about why I would see value in using Bitcoin when I have U.S. dollars available to me. I felt free to talk about how I came to learning about and ultimately embracing Bitcoin. Our conversation spanned many areas, like how consumers will protect themselves from fraud, and what sort of illegal activities could individuals carry out in the Bitcoin system. I could go into detail about that part of the conversation, but for the most part I wanted to share what messages I hope I conveyed in the conversation.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:12 am to WikiTiger
quote:And there it is. When wiki can't support his arguments with facts, he resorts to telling us how uninformed we are. Right on cue....
The funny thing is that y'all have had your heads so far up your asses
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:14 am to WikiTiger
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The funny thing is that y'all have had your heads so far up your asses over the past 2 years or so that we've been debating this stuff that you fail to recognize the developments as they happen right in front of your faces.
Contrary to your belief that we are all window lickers, collaboratively we are pretty bright people who have read all of your material, we've looked at some of your links. We've come to the conclusion that at least 2 big players have accepted it in a "conversion to US$ now" scenario. That there are a handful of small companies that nobody has ever heard of that are accepting it. And one gas station in Oklahoma.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:14 am to LSURussian
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he resorts to telling us how uninformed we are
Well, y'all are uninformed.
Most of y'all had no understanding of the concept of off-chain transactions until just 2 nights ago when I explained it.
Most of y'all have very little to no understanding of the technological aspects of the bitcoin network.
And the funniest to me is the time that Poodlebrain argued until he was red in the keyboard that bitcoin merchants don't generate a new address for each transaction. If y'all don't understand the very basics of how the bitcoin economy and network works, why should anyone take you serious?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:16 am to WikiTiger
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That's what you got out of reading this thread?
Sigh.
It seems like JayDeerTay as well all the others in the peanut gallery have the same misunderstandings.
Well, to correct you: No, transactions do not have to go through the third parties. Transactions in bitcoin are peer to peer. Companies like BitPay and Coinbase, however, provide an OPTIONAL solution for merchants to utilize so that they don't have to assume any exchange rate risk. Merchants can directly accept bitcoin without utilizing any third parties if they so choose.
Why are these concepts so difficult for most of y'all to understand?
I guess we are too stupid huh?
For the voice of Bitcoin here, you do a great job of selling its benefits. You are the master of clarity.
Further, you keep referencing a 3rd party in relation to "being easy to use". In other words, its only easy "if" you use a 3rd party.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:17 am to WikiTiger
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If y'all don't understand the very basics of how the bitcoin economy and network works, why should anyone take you serious?
If you can't explain the bitcoin network thoughtfully, why should we take you or bitcoin serious?
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 9:18 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:18 am to WikiTiger
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why should anyone take you serious?
Because we are masters of monetary policy and economics. Both of which you seem to have totally discounted throughout this entire process. Like they don't even exist.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:19 am to WikiTiger
Wiki, a couple of things:
1. Most businesses that accept bitcoins, immediately receive those bitcoins and convert to cash, right? I could be wrong on that. But if I am correct, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?
2. If a business does receive bitcoin and immediately transfer it to cash, where does that bitcoin go? Back to the mining pool, or do they transfer it to someone who buys it?
Just trying to learn here.
1. Most businesses that accept bitcoins, immediately receive those bitcoins and convert to cash, right? I could be wrong on that. But if I am correct, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?
2. If a business does receive bitcoin and immediately transfer it to cash, where does that bitcoin go? Back to the mining pool, or do they transfer it to someone who buys it?
Just trying to learn here.
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