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John Fox disrespect.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:04 pm
Turned a horrible Panthers team into a Super Bowl contender 2 years later. Losing by 3 to the Pats cheer he is a decade later with the greatest passing offense in NFL history, coaching his second Super Bowl team and people don't list him as a great coach, what sense does that make.
On the radio today I hear Payton compared to Bill Walsh and Fox called mediocre. What?!
On the radio today I hear Payton compared to Bill Walsh and Fox called mediocre. What?!
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Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:12 pm to TexasTiger1185
Richard sherman thinks john fox is a mediocre coach
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:13 pm to TexasTiger1185
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On the radio today I hear Payton compared to Bill Walsh and Fox called mediocre. What?!
do you think john fox is a better coach than payton?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:15 pm to TexasTiger1185
What he did with the Panthers was extremely impressive. Just 1 of those things where the coach was there so long that it got kind of stale. Like Reid with the Eagles and Fisher with the Titans. All are great coaches, but they kind of ran their course with those teams.
But, Fox is a defensive minded coach. They are in the bottom half of the league in defensive stats and in ppg given up.
The reason the Broncos are where they are at isnt because of Fox and that D. Its because of that offense and Manning. And I doubt he does anything with the offense. I mean when he wasnt coaching due to his health, the team was the exact same as it was with him.
You could put just about any 1 of the 32 head coaches, 32 OCs, and 32 DCs in the entire NFL as the head coach of the Broncos and they would most likely still be here. Manning could very well go down as the smartest QB ever to play in the NFL and the offense is just ridiculously talented. And Fox didnt really have much to do with that.
But Fox did draft Vonn Miller, no brainer, but also drafted Julius Thomas and Virgil Geen in the 2011 draft. In the 2012 draft he drafted Derek Wolfe and Danny Trevathan, 6th rounder.
But what the Broncos did this year doesnt have that much to do with John Fox. That said, I still would call him a very good / potentially great coach. Hes def not a "mediocre" coach.
But, Fox is a defensive minded coach. They are in the bottom half of the league in defensive stats and in ppg given up.
The reason the Broncos are where they are at isnt because of Fox and that D. Its because of that offense and Manning. And I doubt he does anything with the offense. I mean when he wasnt coaching due to his health, the team was the exact same as it was with him.
You could put just about any 1 of the 32 head coaches, 32 OCs, and 32 DCs in the entire NFL as the head coach of the Broncos and they would most likely still be here. Manning could very well go down as the smartest QB ever to play in the NFL and the offense is just ridiculously talented. And Fox didnt really have much to do with that.
But Fox did draft Vonn Miller, no brainer, but also drafted Julius Thomas and Virgil Geen in the 2011 draft. In the 2012 draft he drafted Derek Wolfe and Danny Trevathan, 6th rounder.
But what the Broncos did this year doesnt have that much to do with John Fox. That said, I still would call him a very good / potentially great coach. Hes def not a "mediocre" coach.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:23 pm to TexasTiger1185
He's a great coach. As a saints fan I was glad to see him leave the panthers.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:26 pm to TexasTiger1185
Being one of the most conservative coaches in the league (the most?) doesnt help your perception around the league and neither does winning with Peyton Manning at QB
Thats just how it is
Thats just how it is
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:28 pm to wildtigercat93
What john fox did the year with tebow was impressive.
He won a playoff game with tim tebow as his fricking starter. Dude could quit right now and be a hall of famer because of that.
He won a playoff game with tim tebow as his fricking starter. Dude could quit right now and be a hall of famer because of that.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:35 pm to TexasTiger1185
Fox and Coughlin are two of the most underrated/disrespected head coaches I've ever seen.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:35 pm to KG5989
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You could put just about any 1 of the 32 head coaches, 32 OCs, and 32 DCs in the entire NFL as the head coach of the Broncos and they would most likely still be here. Manning could very well go down as the smartest QB ever to play in the NFL and the offense is just ridiculously talented. And Fox didnt really have much to do with that.
I don't know how, after watching the Saints last year anyone can discredit a head coach like you're doing right here.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:38 pm to TexasTiger1185
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I don't know how, after watching the Saints last year anyone can discredit a head coach like you're doing right here.
well they did pretty well without him this season when he went down. Jack del Rio is a good defensive coach too though, and they had Manning.
I think the Tebow year was his best coaching job
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:38 pm to TigerBait1127
No, fox isn't Payton.
But there is no way Payton is Walsh either. Not at this point in his career at least. Payton May never win another Super Bowl in his career, how does that compare?
But there is no way Payton is Walsh either. Not at this point in his career at least. Payton May never win another Super Bowl in his career, how does that compare?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:46 pm to TexasTiger1185
quote:Who said he was mediocre?
On the radio today I hear Payton compared to Bill Walsh and Fox called mediocre
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:47 pm to TexasTiger1185
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I don't know how, after watching the Saints last year anyone can discredit a head coach like you're doing right here.
What does Sean Payton coach? Offense. Without Payton, we were still #2 in total yards and #3 in points. Our offense did their job without Payton.
We went 7-9 last year without Payton because we were the worst D in the history of the NFL yardage wise. We gave up 1,000 more yards than the 31st ranked team did. Gave up the 31st most points in the NFL. Worst ranked D against the run, and 31st ranked D against the pass.
Payton has never been a defensive guy. Hes an offensive guy. Hell, the year without Payton we had more yards and ppg than we did with him this year. Not saying Payton isnt an awesome coach, because hes a great coach. But we didnt go 7-9 in 2012 because Payton wasnt there. We went 7-9 because of our defense, and Payton isnt a defensive coach.
And again, John Fox is a really good, potentially great coach. But I dont think he has had that much to do with the Broncos success this year.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:14 pm to shel311
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Who said he was mediocre?
Richard Sherman
Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:30 pm to TexasTiger1185
You have to face the facts, no coach, other than Dungy, is going to get credit for a manning quarterbacked team. Fox got ill and Broncos don't even miss a beat on offense. What he did with Tebow was extraordinary and a lot of luck, but if they win Sunday they'll crown manning the reason why.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:44 pm to KG5989
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What does Sean Payton coach? Offense. Without Payton, we were still #2 in total yards and #3 in points. Our offense did their job without Payton.
I don't agree with this. The offensive dropoff from 2011 to 2012 was massive despite the Saints still having a great offense. We had more 3 and outs in the first 4 games of 2012 than we had the entire 2011 season. The offense put the D in some terrible situations
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 7:00 pm to TigerBait1127
Payton is a really good OC turned good HC IMO. His demand for respect and accountabilty is what I like about him. Something I'm sure he learned from Parcell. The Saints were ineffective and questioned themselves a lot last season without him. With him back you could immediately see the difference, but I've always said without that Greg Williams attack style defense they do not win the Super Bowl that year.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 7:12 pm to TigerBait1127
What do you not agree with? We still were a top 3 offense without Payton in 2012. For the most part, our offense did their job. Might not have been the same way with Payton on the sidelines. But points wise and yardage wise, it was. Production wise we were pretty much the same.
And Im not saying we didnt miss Payton in 2012. In certain situations it would have def helped to have Payton there. Like on certain 3rd downs and what not.
But if we had coach Payton on the sideline in 2012, do you think our D would have been better? I dont. We could have won a game or 2 more with him, but we still would have been a .500 team.
We werent a 7-9 team because we didnt have Payton there. We were a 7-9 because we had a horrible D that was run by a horrible DC. And regardless of the system Spags ran, personnel wise we were horrible. We went 11-5 this year. And I dont think the turn around was all due because we got Payton back. Rob Ryan was the hire of the year coordinator wise in the entire NFL. And we went out and got some big time players in the draft and in FA. Kenny Vaccaro and Keenan Lewis came in and became 2 of our top 5 more important players IMO. And Rob Ryans attitude had a huge impact on our defensive players. He did a great job developing certain players and turning them into very good defensive players and getting the absolute most out of them. And did a great job in getting those players to fit his system.
And Im not saying we didnt miss Payton in 2012. In certain situations it would have def helped to have Payton there. Like on certain 3rd downs and what not.
But if we had coach Payton on the sideline in 2012, do you think our D would have been better? I dont. We could have won a game or 2 more with him, but we still would have been a .500 team.
We werent a 7-9 team because we didnt have Payton there. We were a 7-9 because we had a horrible D that was run by a horrible DC. And regardless of the system Spags ran, personnel wise we were horrible. We went 11-5 this year. And I dont think the turn around was all due because we got Payton back. Rob Ryan was the hire of the year coordinator wise in the entire NFL. And we went out and got some big time players in the draft and in FA. Kenny Vaccaro and Keenan Lewis came in and became 2 of our top 5 more important players IMO. And Rob Ryans attitude had a huge impact on our defensive players. He did a great job developing certain players and turning them into very good defensive players and getting the absolute most out of them. And did a great job in getting those players to fit his system.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 7:20 pm to TexasTiger1185
For the record when the Saints hired Sean Payton it was Fox who said Payton had 'the x-factor'.
I'm not sure what that contributed to the thread I just wanted to say that.
I'm not sure what that contributed to the thread I just wanted to say that.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 7:47 pm to KG5989
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What do you not agree with?
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But we didnt go 7-9 in 2012 because Payton wasnt there. We went 7-9 because of our defense, and Payton isnt a defensive coach.
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We werent a 7-9 team because we didnt have Payton there
I disagree with this. I don't think we have the worst defense in NFL history with Payton.
I think that our offense doesn't go 3 and out as often. I think we control the ball more and keep our defense off the field.
The 2012 offense was a disappointment, regardless of the stats. Too many 3 and outs, too many turnovers.
Saints were 1st in TOP this season, 25th in 2012, 3rd in 2011, and 5th in 2010
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