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re: Heart Surgeon declares "we were wrong" re causes of heart disease

Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:41 am to
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:41 am to
Interesting in light of the newly released ATP4 guidelines that recommend statins like candy.
Posted by dr smartass phd
RIP 8/19
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:50 am to
This is a good site on cholesterol

LINK
Posted by Upperaltiger06
North Alabama
Member since Feb 2012
3955 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:53 am to
Here is another interesting site.
THINCS
Posted by dantes69
Boise, Id.
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:27 am to
that's why they call it practicing medicine, they don't have it down yet.
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:30 am to
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This is a good site on cholesterol LINK

Your link condemns Lipitor. My own reaction to Lipitor was severe muscle ache... to the point that I could barely walk.

I really don't trust statins.

Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
21979 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:44 am to
so basically, just follow the no carb diet and you'll be fine, correct? I mean, eat just meats and veggies and all is well?

I can do this with no problem.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
41187 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:45 am to
I eat carbs, but I try to get most of them from fruit, and keep it rather low.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62730 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:47 am to
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My own reaction to Lipitor was severe muscle ache... to the point that I could barely walk.


Very common. I think they are over-used, too. Have you tried Co Q10 for this...Works for a few people with the leg cramps for statin, but only a few..Total Cholesterol levels are grossly over treated IMO.
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
16978 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:01 pm to
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Why was the Medical Board forced to strip it?


Politics, maybe? Some of these holier than thou board members can get their feelings hurt easily.
Posted by dr smartass phd
RIP 8/19
Member since Sep 2004
20387 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

Your link condemns Lipitor. My own reaction to Lipitor was severe muscle ache... to the point that I could barely walk. I really don't trust statins.


My cholesterol is running a little over 300 and I flat out refuse to take statins. I tried them once and felt like I had been beaten with a baseball bat and could barely make it up my stairs. When I get my blood tested in March, I'm going to ask for a hi-res CRP.

Four years ago, I had a nuclear stress test done, just for the hell of it and the cardiologist and he said my heart was way more than fine.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Diddles
LA
Member since Apr 2013
6981 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:18 pm to
People who eat unhealthy live the longest
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
16978 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:18 pm to
Here's some other reading material that discusses this as well.
The Great Cholesterol Myth

I Worked as a rep for Genentech in the 90's selling TPA (Clot buster for heart attacks). At the time, I knew the data from the major heart attack trials much better than most treating MDs. IIRC, in one study of 40,000 patients with documented myocardial infarction, 35% of the subjects had normal cholesterol levels. I always wondered why they got heart attacks, maybe this explains it.

Someone mentioned good vs bad cholesterol, but it is more complex than that. The size of the bad cholesterol molecules and the percentage of small vs large matters. If the major component of your bad cholesterol is of the large molecular size it is not atherogenic.

Ask them to do an NMR next time your MD orders a lipid panel.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32516 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:24 pm to
5,000 surgeries over a 25 year career? That's 200 per year. A "good" heart surgeon would do 5,000 in 5 to 10 years.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25455 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:27 pm to
Last month we were told vitamins are a waste and this month that admit they had the cause of heart disease wrong.....and Global warming is a fraud etc..

Maybe it time we realize the "government" has no experts......only an agenda.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 12:28 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27058 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

What do you have to back up this statement?



You ever feel the urge to jump out of your car and run down a calf to kill it and eat it raw?

Asians? Older Asians?
Posted by austingator
austin
Member since Jan 2009
7442 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

Not always the case, btw.
E.g., Salt restriction remains an important adjunct in treatment of CHF.


Like I said, salt sensitive people should have low intake of salt. Normal people don't need to worry about it.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
41187 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

You ever feel the urge to jump out of your car and run down a calf to kill it and eat it raw?



Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:02 pm to
and I have an inflammatory disease.

Great.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27058 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:04 pm to
we aren't carnivores...

Omnivores I believe. Vegans do not. But with western diets we made meat and dairy priority one. Side dishes get smaller and smaller. Unless it is covered in cheese.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
41187 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:09 pm to
I'd argue that we'd made carbs and grains the staple of our diets, and meats/fats got blamed unfairly for the resulting health problems.
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