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Bows & arrows: Saving hunting in America
Posted on 12/28/13 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 12/28/13 at 5:02 pm
The Economist's take.
LINK
LINK
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To the founders of the modern American hunt, frivolous killing could not be ethical, let alone sporting. Drawing on biblical codes of morality, they declared that the role of hunting was to feed a young nation and—in Roosevelt’s phrase—“to keep men hardy, so that at need they can show themselves fit to take part in work or strife for their native land.”
It is as well that Roosevelt never saw a modern hunting superstore. These are crammed with technology designed to let even the idlest woodsman bag a large animal. True, there are nods to the prosaic business of turning a deer into a freezer-full of venison. But despite the old injunction against extravagance, the real action is in trophies—in the slaying of mighty bucks with 10- or 12-point racks of antlers, or of predators large enough to be skinned and hung on the wall of a basement man-cave. On every aisle there are products endorsed by stars from TV hunting shows, big men with imposing facial hair and far-off gazes, with record-breaking animals dead at their feet.
This post was edited on 12/28/13 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 12/28/13 at 5:08 pm to TejasHorn
Good article. I agree with a lot of it.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 6:21 pm to TejasHorn
All hunters should support other forms of hunting. Divided we fall.
That being said, just in the last few days there was a thread about a deer that was lost after being shot with an arrow. That deer is now walking around in the woods somewhere with an arrow hanging out his side, probably causing pain, possibly soon causing infection. I have personally seen deer with arrows hanging off them, and have talked to someone who killed a deer with a firearm that was suffering almost madness from a gangrene arrow wound (arrow was still in the deer). You will never convince me that more deer aren't lost during bowhunting than with gun hunting as a percentage of shots fired. So I really don't need anyone to preach to me about the superiority of bow hunting.
I always advocate handgun hunting as means to increase the challenge of the hunt while maintaining a superior level of lethality for those that want something different. Articles often don't explore that option because 1) handguns are 'bad' (yes, even to some outdoor writers) 2) many people don't seem to understand the breadth of handguns available for different purposes. Muzzleloading / blackpowder offers a similar challenge as handguns and archery IMO.
Understand this and do not doubt me: There is an anti-gun element to efforts such as this.
And as far as this quote:
I don't think this individual is hunting in an area with comparable hunting pressure to portions of the Southeast.
That being said, just in the last few days there was a thread about a deer that was lost after being shot with an arrow. That deer is now walking around in the woods somewhere with an arrow hanging out his side, probably causing pain, possibly soon causing infection. I have personally seen deer with arrows hanging off them, and have talked to someone who killed a deer with a firearm that was suffering almost madness from a gangrene arrow wound (arrow was still in the deer). You will never convince me that more deer aren't lost during bowhunting than with gun hunting as a percentage of shots fired. So I really don't need anyone to preach to me about the superiority of bow hunting.
I always advocate handgun hunting as means to increase the challenge of the hunt while maintaining a superior level of lethality for those that want something different. Articles often don't explore that option because 1) handguns are 'bad' (yes, even to some outdoor writers) 2) many people don't seem to understand the breadth of handguns available for different purposes. Muzzleloading / blackpowder offers a similar challenge as handguns and archery IMO.
Understand this and do not doubt me: There is an anti-gun element to efforts such as this.
And as far as this quote:
quote:
“That is not very much of a challenge.”
I don't think this individual is hunting in an area with comparable hunting pressure to portions of the Southeast.
This post was edited on 12/28/13 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 12/28/13 at 6:34 pm to TejasHorn
I'm getting a little tired all these high and mighty bow hunters.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 6:38 pm to weagle99
quote:
You will never convince me that more deer aren't lost during bowhunting than with gun hunting
More deer are lost every year as a result of a bad gun shot than archery shot
Posted on 12/28/13 at 6:43 pm to crankbait
quote:
More deer are lost every year as a result of a bad gun shot than archery shot
As a percentage of shots taken?
I will clarify my earlier statement.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 6:43 pm to TejasHorn
As an archer, I feel a spiritual connection to being up close and personal with the pain I bring.
Good life lesson for everyone.
Good life lesson for everyone.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 8:55 pm to weagle99
quote:
All hunters should support other forms of hunting. Divided we fall
Followed by bitching about bow hunting.
Hunters can decide what they support, and what they don't. eg. I think bear hunting and wolf/cougar hunting are wrong, and would never support either.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 9:38 pm to TejasHorn
There is some good BS in that article. First of all, Teddy Roosevelt was instrumental in the development of the Boone & Crockett club, which was founded to keep records of trophies taken to measure the success of conservation programs. The wildlife was decimated by market hunting for food. Hunters shot everything that moved. The ethics of fair chase and trophy hunting were created to save wildlife.
Boone & Crockett
The author is trying to belittle hunting culture and gun culture. Don't be fooled
Boone & Crockett
The author is trying to belittle hunting culture and gun culture. Don't be fooled
Posted on 12/28/13 at 9:43 pm to Coach in Waiting
Screw that passive aggressive liberal agenda.
They have about as much subtlety as a charging rhino.
They have about as much subtlety as a charging rhino.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 7:00 am to BRgetthenet
What's unsporting about a permanent stand?
Should we all live in temporary housing?
Mung is right dividing hunters is how they can defeat us
Should we all live in temporary housing?
Mung is right dividing hunters is how they can defeat us
Posted on 12/29/13 at 9:01 am to TejasHorn
This is a well known liberal affiliated publication.....complete bs
Posted on 12/29/13 at 10:01 am to choupiquesushi
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dividing hunters is how they can defeat us
Truth.
There are many ways to hunt. Each should hunt his own (legal) way and support other hunters whether they do it differently or not. The sport is aging though; I can't get my 22 year old son out there.
quote:Nothing at all. This year I joined a club and "inherited" a former member's tower stand. It looked like a crooked POS, the office chairs rolled to the low corner and I thought I would only hunt there on rainy days. I shot all five of my deer from the same stand. Not unsporting but very predictable. Maybe next year I should make it a stand for guests only and hunt like RickfromArizona would.
What's unsporting about a permanent stand?
Posted on 12/29/13 at 5:56 pm to TejasHorn
So an admitted non hunter is somehow preaching to hunters about what is and what is not a superior form of hunting and then trying to claim one is more American than the other...
And people took that garbage seriously.
He is mocking you, me, and everyone involved in hunting with that same sneering, oh so, superior left coast drivel that will always be used by people who know nothing about hunting but 'feel' their opinion of it is somehow valid.
frick them.
And people took that garbage seriously.
He is mocking you, me, and everyone involved in hunting with that same sneering, oh so, superior left coast drivel that will always be used by people who know nothing about hunting but 'feel' their opinion of it is somehow valid.
frick them.
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