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re: what nick saban did for LSU
Posted on 11/1/13 at 11:01 am to LSU GrandDad
Posted on 11/1/13 at 11:01 am to LSU GrandDad
I don’t really care what Saban was or was not at LSU. But, I just can't abide delusions of this fan base.
Saban became head coach 2000. In 1998 LSU was 4-7, 2-6 in conference. In 1999 was 3-8, 1-7 in conference. That’s pretty dismal… and the rest of the decade was little better (see below).
Surely you jest? LSU had NEVER been “perennial top 10.” Not once in the previous decade had LSU ever finished ranked in the top 10 in the country. Good God.. between 1970 and 2000, only twice was LSU ranked in the top 10 during that 30 year stretch. You have to go back to Cholly Mac era in the early ‘60s to find LSU "perennially ranked in the top 10."
LSU records in decade before Saban
LSU Football History 1990 - 1999
Season Coach Record Bowl Game Final Ranking
1990 Mike Archer 5-6 (2-5)
1991 Curley Hallman 5-6 (3-4)
1992 Curley Hallman 2-9 (1-7)
1993 Curley Hallman 5-6 (3-5)
1994 Curley Hallman 4-7 (3-5)
1995 Gerry DiNardo 7-4-1 (4-3-1) Independence Bowl
1996 Gerry DiNardo 10-2 (6-2) Peach Bowl final AP rank 12
1997 Gerry DiNardo 9-3 (6-2) Independence Bowl final AP rank 13
1998 Gerry DiNardo 4-7 (2-6)
1999 Gerry DiNardo 3-8 (1-7)
Whatever Saban was or wasn't at LSU, he DID "restore" a program that was not just in decline, it had declined to the bottom of the SEC. It is probably more accurate to say "He created a program..." as there was nothing, history or precedent, to "restore" to. Hate the man all you want... but don't deny what he accomplished.
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LSU was not a dismal program before he came and resurrected it
Saban became head coach 2000. In 1998 LSU was 4-7, 2-6 in conference. In 1999 was 3-8, 1-7 in conference. That’s pretty dismal… and the rest of the decade was little better (see below).
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if LSU wanted to be perennial (sp) top 10 again…
Surely you jest? LSU had NEVER been “perennial top 10.” Not once in the previous decade had LSU ever finished ranked in the top 10 in the country. Good God.. between 1970 and 2000, only twice was LSU ranked in the top 10 during that 30 year stretch. You have to go back to Cholly Mac era in the early ‘60s to find LSU "perennially ranked in the top 10."
LSU records in decade before Saban
LSU Football History 1990 - 1999
Season Coach Record Bowl Game Final Ranking
1990 Mike Archer 5-6 (2-5)
1991 Curley Hallman 5-6 (3-4)
1992 Curley Hallman 2-9 (1-7)
1993 Curley Hallman 5-6 (3-5)
1994 Curley Hallman 4-7 (3-5)
1995 Gerry DiNardo 7-4-1 (4-3-1) Independence Bowl
1996 Gerry DiNardo 10-2 (6-2) Peach Bowl final AP rank 12
1997 Gerry DiNardo 9-3 (6-2) Independence Bowl final AP rank 13
1998 Gerry DiNardo 4-7 (2-6)
1999 Gerry DiNardo 3-8 (1-7)
Whatever Saban was or wasn't at LSU, he DID "restore" a program that was not just in decline, it had declined to the bottom of the SEC. It is probably more accurate to say "He created a program..." as there was nothing, history or precedent, to "restore" to. Hate the man all you want... but don't deny what he accomplished.
This post was edited on 11/1/13 at 11:22 am
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 11:53 am to Jacknola
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Whatever Saban was or wasn't at LSU, he DID "restore" a program that was not just in decline, it had declined to the bottom of the SEC. It is probably more accurate to say "He created a program..." as there was nothing, history or precedent, to "restore" to
Wow. There are some stupid Gumps and then there is this moron. What an idiot.
Posted on 11/1/13 at 12:17 pm to Jacknola
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Jacknola
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Alabama Fan
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I just can't abide delusions
Seriously? You want to go down this road?
Posted on 11/1/13 at 3:13 pm to Jacknola
quote:Truth. In the Mac years, LSU was respectable, but lived in the shadow of Alabama, Ole Miss (sometimes), Tennessee in particular. And LSU couldn't win the big bowls - like versus Nebraska and Penn State. Once Mac packed, with the exception of the Arnsparger bubble and the one good Archer year, whatever magic there may have been was gone and LSU was living in the dismal shadow world of abject failure. Not until DiNardo came and "brought back the magic" for a spell, LSU had not experienced anything that resembled success in at least a decade. And by the time Dinardo left, he had them spiraling downward again. But recruiting had improved. Enter Nick Saban, beaten as HC of Michigan State in the Indy Bowl by Dinardo's LSU. Seemed a very questionable hire at the time. Who knew he'd remake LSU's football culture in about five years? But that's what he did, with 2003 as the shining star. Then exit Nick Saban and enter Les Miles the Enigma HC. Great? Lucky? Bonehead? Lazy? Who can say? But LSU has managed to kind of prosper under his watch. It's just he too, like Mac, can't seem to win the big ones (see 1/9). And with Saban in Tuscaloosa now, we live again in the shadow of Alabama. I want to see LSU finally break out! I just don't know if CLM is the coach to lead us out of that place.
Whatever Saban was or wasn't at LSU, he DID "restore" a program that was not just in decline, it had declined to the bottom of the SEC. It is probably more accurate to say "He created a program..." as there was nothing, history or precedent, to "restore" to. Hate the man all you want... but don't deny what he accomplished.
This post was edited on 11/1/13 at 3:14 pm
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