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Let's take a step back and look at LSU's program
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:46 am
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:46 am
I have not posted on here in awhile but wanted to put in my $.02. I'm blessed to be an LSU alum as well as one of two smaller teams with very uninteresting and passionless athletic programs. We're fortunate to love a team which is nationally relevant, because it's not all that common. Usually we win, sometimes we don't.
I hate the general excuse in life, "hey, it could always be worse," but things are what they are, and we are still in elite company.
Many are frustrated because of the expectations have fallen short relative to the associated costs of supporting LSU, talent, and the success of rivals. I get it.
Let's look at the programs since 2008, after the National Championship. In that time period, we're arguably a top 5 program. Bama is clearly tops. LSU, Oregon, Ohio State, Oklahoma to a lesser extent are probably most consistent. Auburn, Florida obviously have their rings and some down years. Stanford has been good. Boise and TCU have been good, but are not a threat and have fallen off. Texas and USC have declined significantly from the beginning of the decade with greater resources and history than LSU.
That's pretty elite company, as it should be. LSU is relevant, very relevant.
Now let's look at how we've done vs. our biggest rivals:
Alabama: 2-4, likely 2-5
Auburn: 5-1
Florida: 3-3
Ole Miss: 3-3
Arkansas: 3-2, likely 4-2
Combined that's 16-13, likely 17-14.
LSU's record against those teams when they were ranked at the end of the year? Anywhere from 4-12 to 6-11 depending on how this year goes and without a winning record against any of the four teams when they were at their best.
That's what's most disappointing, IMO. It may not always be pretty, but LSU takes care of business against bad teams, Ole Miss being the exception. But, we're losing more than we win at the most critical times over the last 5.5 years.
So, that's where we are. We had hoped for a championship, or at least a net improvement from last year. Odds are good we will be in a very similar situation as last year at best, barring a miracle turn of events, even a win over Bama will not significantly help our situation. Likely, our peak is the Capital One Bowl. Another CFA or Cotton Bowl appearance is most likely. Knowing this in October pretty much sucks at LSU.
Looking forward, the prevailing fear is that we're losing our edge, be it true or not. LSU was basically a half step behind Bama, now there are legit reasons why that gap is widening and ATM, Ole Miss, and Auburn are closing quick. We have huge recruiting battles left as well as the two biggest games of the year. Much is yet undetermined.
So, where do we go? Love it or leave it. It is what is. We're disappointed, but obviously we all love LSU football for many reasons. Enjoy the ride or get off. The choice is yours to make.
Cliffs:
-We're very much an elite program
-We've struggled vs. our biggest rivals post 2007
-Much yet undetermined in the next 4-5 months that will greatly impact the future
-Enjoy the ride or GTFO
I hate the general excuse in life, "hey, it could always be worse," but things are what they are, and we are still in elite company.
Many are frustrated because of the expectations have fallen short relative to the associated costs of supporting LSU, talent, and the success of rivals. I get it.
Let's look at the programs since 2008, after the National Championship. In that time period, we're arguably a top 5 program. Bama is clearly tops. LSU, Oregon, Ohio State, Oklahoma to a lesser extent are probably most consistent. Auburn, Florida obviously have their rings and some down years. Stanford has been good. Boise and TCU have been good, but are not a threat and have fallen off. Texas and USC have declined significantly from the beginning of the decade with greater resources and history than LSU.
That's pretty elite company, as it should be. LSU is relevant, very relevant.
Now let's look at how we've done vs. our biggest rivals:
Alabama: 2-4, likely 2-5
Auburn: 5-1
Florida: 3-3
Ole Miss: 3-3
Arkansas: 3-2, likely 4-2
Combined that's 16-13, likely 17-14.
LSU's record against those teams when they were ranked at the end of the year? Anywhere from 4-12 to 6-11 depending on how this year goes and without a winning record against any of the four teams when they were at their best.
That's what's most disappointing, IMO. It may not always be pretty, but LSU takes care of business against bad teams, Ole Miss being the exception. But, we're losing more than we win at the most critical times over the last 5.5 years.
So, that's where we are. We had hoped for a championship, or at least a net improvement from last year. Odds are good we will be in a very similar situation as last year at best, barring a miracle turn of events, even a win over Bama will not significantly help our situation. Likely, our peak is the Capital One Bowl. Another CFA or Cotton Bowl appearance is most likely. Knowing this in October pretty much sucks at LSU.
Looking forward, the prevailing fear is that we're losing our edge, be it true or not. LSU was basically a half step behind Bama, now there are legit reasons why that gap is widening and ATM, Ole Miss, and Auburn are closing quick. We have huge recruiting battles left as well as the two biggest games of the year. Much is yet undetermined.
So, where do we go? Love it or leave it. It is what is. We're disappointed, but obviously we all love LSU football for many reasons. Enjoy the ride or get off. The choice is yours to make.
Cliffs:
-We're very much an elite program
-We've struggled vs. our biggest rivals post 2007
-Much yet undetermined in the next 4-5 months that will greatly impact the future
-Enjoy the ride or GTFO
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:48 am to Vlad The Inhaler
You posted a thread about Reuban Randle yesterday. LIAR!!!1111111111
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:50 am to Jrv2damac
That's true. I lied, or at least misrepresented myself. Prior to yesterday I had not posted in some time. I put more effort into this though.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:53 am to Vlad The Inhaler
quote:
-We're very much an elite program
I wanna believe this, but an elite program does not lose to Ole Miss' second string.
I will always support LSU, but an elite team beats the shite out of Ole Miss Saturday.
Losses happen, but this was a horrible one. All we can do is regroup and play on.
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 11:55 am
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:54 am to Vlad The Inhaler
This would be a much more complete argument if you included MSU. If you don't include them, you may as well not include Alabama, Florida, or Ole Miss (Teams we didn't fare well against).
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:56 am to Vlad The Inhaler
Mettenberger had a bad first half and dug the team into a whole they could not overcome. LSU's defense is not as talented, deep, or experienced as the past few years and it shows like most expected it to this season. Les Miles will always manage the clock poorly. /thread
These reevaluating the program and suicidal threads are getting really old and stupid.
These reevaluating the program and suicidal threads are getting really old and stupid.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:58 am to TigerBait69
The similarities between Texas and LSU are real, we can ignore that and share their fate.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:58 am to TigerBait69
quote:
This would be a much more complete argument if you included MSU
I didn't include them because realistically they are not a threat and have not been one and have only once fielded a nationally relevant team (2010). I don't think many use Mississippi State as a benchmark for the program.
Just add as 6 to the totals and a 1 to the ranked teams. I don't see it changing a lot.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:01 pm to CBandits82
quote:
I wanna believe this, but an elite program does not lose to Ole Miss' second string.
Jesus Christ. Show me one elite program that has never ever lost to a team they shouldn't have. Upsets fricking happen. It's college football.
Also, before this game, when is the last time we lost to a team that we are clearly better than? I'd say '09 against... You guessed it... OLE MISS.
But hey, y'all have fun being miserable. I'm going to choose to have perspective.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:01 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
quote:
Vlad The Inhaler
solid
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:02 pm to lsu2006
quote:
Jesus Christ. Show me one elite program that has never ever lost to a team they shouldn't have. Upsets fricking happen. It's college football.
LOL, I said losses happen in my post.
No shite upsets fricking happen.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:03 pm to lsu2006
quote:
Jesus Christ. Show me one elite program that has never ever lost to a team they shouldn't have. Upsets fricking happen. It's college football.
Also, before this game, when is the last time we lost to a team that we are clearly better than? I'd say '09 against... You guessed it... OLE MISS.
But hey, y'all have fun being miserable. I'm going to choose to have perspective.
This. All of it.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:03 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
quote:Not really.
-We're very much an elite program
quote:Yep
-We've struggled vs. our biggest rivals post 2007
quote:Prepare for anal penetration by A&M and Bama (and bowl game if paired vs explosive offense)
-Much yet undetermined in the next 4-5 months that will greatly impact the future
quote:Hard to enjoy a downward trend.
-Enjoy the ride or GTFO
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:03 pm to CBandits82
quote:
LOL, I said losses happen in my post.
No shite upsets fricking happen.
OK - so being upset twice in 4 years by a major historical rival makes us not elite, though? Just so we're clear.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:04 pm to lsu2006
quote:
Upsets fricking happen. It's college football.
Right. Especially when your usually reliable and perhaps elite QB throws 3 INTs in the first half.
If he has a game that would be considered average by this year's standards we win by 17
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:04 pm to Powerman
quote:
Right. Especially when your usually reliable and perhaps elite QB throws 3 INTs in the first half.
If he has a game that would be considered average by this year's standards we win by 17
Thank you.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:05 pm to The Mick
quote:
The Mick
you can hop off the bandwagon any time you like. I can assure you that no one will miss you. Take unknownknight with you too. And fat bastard.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:07 pm to lsu2006
quote:
Show me one elite program that has never ever lost to a team they shouldn't have. Upsets fricking happen. It's college football
From 2008 forward, Alabama and Oregon are the only teams that have not lost a game to a team that finished unranked.
We lost 1 in 2008, not including this year. That aint bad.
Oklahoma and Florida have also lost only one.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:08 pm to lsu2006
quote:
not elite, though?
this year? no, which was the point of my post.
Overall of course we are elite, but I do question the drop of this year. How can you not.
The D has dropped off considerably.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 12:10 pm to CBandits82
quote:
The D has dropped off considerably.
Nothing to do with personnel I'd imagine.
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