re: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world, Part One

So not having a gun is better?

The "shooter" obviously knew who had the gun and where they were sitting. I think it was not until the last guy, that the "shooter" shot someone else besides the professor then the armed student. A person who enters a room like that, would have started shooting the students who were trying to run out the class before ever seeing a random student in the room with a gun.

Aside from the points already mentioned I'd like to add to the "set up to fail" list by pointing out the following:

1) All the participants were chosen for training by abc news. (Not that they have an interest in the outcome or anything)

2) They called a kid dicking around in his backyard with an airsoft gun, not even playing actual airsoft matches, a person with >100hrs handgun experience.

3) None of them were shown to have ever attempted to shoot a target more than about 4 feet away, or shooting at a moving target.

4) Did it ever address how old the participants were? None of them looked old enough to concealed carry in real life anyway.

Everything in that story and that study is accurate. That doesn't rule out that if you have a few seconds to collect your thoughts you might be able to do some good.

However, it is true that the idea that you are Cool Hand Luke just because you have a CC permit is a delusion and a problem.

The suggestion of the story is to train yourself. That is a good suggestion.

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the idea that you are Cool Hand Luke just because you have a CC permit is a delusion and a problem

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I concur.

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establishment that prohibits concealed carry

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I just open carry there.

If allowed by law.

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Everything in that story and that study is accurate.

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That's just stupid. Plainly stupid.

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However, it is true that the idea that you are Cool Hand Luke just because you have a CC permit is a delusion and a problem.

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True

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The suggestion of the story is to train yourself. That is a good suggestion.

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That would be a good suggestion.

However, it's pretty clear that the point is that common people could never train enough to be competent and are better off running, hiding or playing dead than trying to defend themselves. They even explicitly say this if you actually watched the video.

They even reinforce that you yourself are likely to become a danger/threat to other innocents, so you shouldn't even bother.

When comparing outcomes, it's interesting that the assailant is highly trained and knows exactly who, what and where; yet how often is that the case in real life where the most common threat IMO is from a person of low to moderate skill and training? Yet those outcomes were supposed to be experiments studying real life scenarios. What bullshite.

And What in the frick was up with the helmets and long t-shirts? That was probably the stupidest part.

To anyone with a functioning brain, this was a results-oriented sham of a study designed to make those who would defend themselves with a gun look pathetic, incompetent and even dangerous.

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Everything in that story and that study is accurate.

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Not really. I don't know too many people that will have a weapon they aren't familiar with, in a holster they didn't buy, wearing thick gloves and a helmet that's hard to see out of, facing off against a gunman, that is highly trained, is aware of his target, and is intent on getting that one specific person to make a point. But, that's just me. Speaking of training...



Ooops. Wrong truck, wrong color, wrong sex and too many occupants.

Officer already has weapon pulled, great training pays off

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Your supposed to let them shoot you without resistance.

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No, you must not have watched the whole video. Diane told us that a working cell phone can be a very effective weapon.
Call 911 so they know where to send the coroner and a bunch of body bags

Wow, that's eye-opening. If I am carrying someone else's gun in someone else's holster, wearing gloves, a helmet and clothes that were given to me minutes before and a trained shooter enters the room with his gun drawn, lets everyone leave while he focuses on me and I have less than 3 seconds to draw my weapon and put him down, I'm fricked.