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re: How much to put down on a home? (more than 20%?)

Posted on 8/25/13 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
26979 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

However, 95% of people in 30s do not invest the difference between their 30 year P&I and the 15


Hell 95% under 30 don't stay in the house they took mortgage out on 10 years. Why I like a 10/1 ARM in a 27 year olds situation most times.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
36038 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

If you borrow over 417k, your looking at a first and second, the second being tied to prime + 1.5-2. If not youre going jumbo over 417k


Not necessarily. The conforming loan limit in most of the counties in New Jersey is $625,500.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
90887 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 2:32 pm to
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The conforming loan limit in most of the counties in New Jersey is $625,500.


FreddieMac calls that "super conforming" - no shite.



(ETA: And that's the base conforming limit for AK, HI, Guam and USVI.)
This post was edited on 8/25/13 at 2:33 pm
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
26979 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

Not necessarily. The conforming loan limit in most of the counties in New Jersey is $625,500.


I knew NY was, didn't realize NJ was as well.

Move my 417 to 625 then
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
90887 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

Move my 417 to 625 then


Start calling it "super conforming" that's my new phrase of the day.
Posted by Joe
North Jersey
Member since Jan 2005
6328 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

When you have your kids, is your wife going to stop working for ever, or just a few years?


Not forever, but for a while. 5-7 yrs?

quote:

stick with the 20% down, but I would honestly suggest you look for a cheaper home. Where in Jersey are you looking? You don't want to get in a situation where you're house poor. stick with the 20% down, but I would honestly suggest you look for a cheaper home. Where in Jersey are you looking? You don't want to get in a situation where you're house poor.





350K gets you 3BR 1 Bath up here on a small lot.



500k gets you 4BR 3 Baths on a much larger lot.

The thing is, we have been looking for a while, and there is nothing in between. You either get a small home around 350k, or you jump to 475-500 for something nice. Ideally would be the 425ish mark, but that price point just doesn't seem to exist.



From the consensus, it seems the general rec to just put the 20% down, and put the other 20% in some sort of investment vehicle to only use towards housing payments, correct?

Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
51150 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 6:25 pm to
Thats ridiculous that homes cost that much over there.
Posted by mtcheral
BR
Member since Oct 2008
1977 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 8:05 pm to
Find a place with a separate basement that you can convert into an apartment and rent it out. That will help cover mortgage and give you further investment.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125492 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 8:28 pm to
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350K gets you 3BR 1 Bath up here on a small lot.
Watch out!

My tendency would be to let somebody else "make money" off property at that price level.
I'd at least consider renting (and to be crystal clear, I'm not someone who tends to rent). Granted, all reality deals are local, but based on the example, there does appear a risk of overpricing in the NJ market.

This post was edited on 8/26/13 at 2:00 pm
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
49873 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 8:39 pm to
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with interest rates as low as they are, I would put as little down as possible

but that is just me

Posted by nogoodjr
Member since Feb 2006
804 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 9:21 pm to
I only have 2 points.

1. Your 27 and have over a quarter million dollars saved with a nice, but not overwhelming salary. You should not be asking a message board for advice. You should be giving lessons on living on less than you make and saving.

2. Why on earth do you have a car payment?


Good job man. You are killing it.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
49873 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 9:55 pm to
How are you so well off at 27?
Posted by Joe
North Jersey
Member since Jan 2005
6328 posts
Posted on 8/25/13 at 10:02 pm to
To answer a few questions: my dad passed away when I was 21 and left a small inheritance. I put it in the market at the bottom and did OK on the way up.

I do well saving money, but obviously didn't just sock away money from my salary to get to that number.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:30 am to
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Never borrow when the rate is below inflation


Jumping in to correct the obvious typo - if you can borrow below inflation always do so.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:32 am to
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However, 95% of people in 30s do not invest the difference between their 30 year P&I and the 15 - they spend it on other stuff, waste it whatever.


True, but that is a problem completely separate from the terms of financing.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 8/26/13 at 1:35 am to
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avoiding interest is money in the bank - money you neither have to invest nor yield a return on - just to break even.


You are not breaking even if you are prepaying on a loan that charges less than inflation.

I'll be fair - historically it has been a good idea to prepay consumer loans of almost all kinds, but that was because the interest rate was reliably above the inflation rate. Being above 0% is not enough to justify prepaying.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
26979 posts
Posted on 8/26/13 at 5:20 am to
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2. Why on earth do you have a car payment?


if he's like me, he may have 5 years at 0.9% interest, and make 1.5% or more in a high yield account, meaning he makes more money off his money by financing.

Or he knew he was buying house soon and needed to boost his credit score, again, at ridiculously low rates.
Posted by Joe
North Jersey
Member since Jan 2005
6328 posts
Posted on 8/26/13 at 2:40 pm to
Thanks for the info everyone
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