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Schematically.......what did LSU and UF do to stop JFF and the Ags?

Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:18 am
Posted by Moustache
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:18 am
What did those 2 teams do differently to stop the Aggots better than any other team (including Bama?)

Regarding LSU, it looks like Chavis switched to a 3 man DL, but what prevented TAMU from running it down our throat when he did that? It's not like we've got a 6'3 350 lb NT to hold down the fort?

Or did LSU just get lucky JFF threw 3 picks that game, one of which wasn't his fault?

UF struggled at first but seemed to shut them down. What did they do defensively? Or did they just benefit from it being his 1st game?
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 10:20 am
Posted by KT70
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:22 am to
SPEED!!!
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:22 am to
I'm no expert on defensive schemes, but I think it had to do with playing a lot of contain-type defense and just having a very athletic defensive unit in general.
Posted by Duckman13
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:22 am to
They contained him and made him throw the ball. When he played bama, they left the outsides open all game.
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:23 am to
Havent seen the replay but from what I remember, we really emphasized keep JFF in the pocket and if he did break contain, db's crashed hard for support and worked him back to the sideline. That made him, and A&M as a result, pretty one-dimensional, thus the 3 picks.
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 10:24 am
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:25 am to
contained him to the pocket as well as anybody could.

Also had Micah Eugene spying him most of the game and it made a huge difference.

UF had Bostic and Jenkins. 2 LBs with serious speed.
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 10:27 am
Posted by Guava Jelly
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:26 am to
Containment. They got pressure on him from inside and didn't allow him to scramble.

LSU's speed on the edges lends itself to stopping running QBs.

I think the rest of the SEC will take note this year. Teflon Johnny won't be able to run for 1,000+ yards again this season. He'll have to throw it more... which is why I don't see TAMU being as good this year as last.

JMHO
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:26 am to
LSU was one of the few teams in the country who can generate pressure on Manziel without blitzing. That allowed the team to drop 7-8 men into coverage and still not give him time to sit back and pick the defense apart. So it was partly schematic, but also personnel. LSU had two pretty good edge rushers who could generate pressure against two NFL prospects at tackle, allowing the team to play coverage.

Why couldn't they run the ball? Well, A&M's backs aren't that great. They don't suck, but it's not Eddie Lacy back there. Secondly, LSU's linebackers were fast and can tackle. Which they will be again. The LB's can plug holes in the line because they had to skill to do so.

Also, let's just give credit to Chavis who can confuse even the best QB's. He's pretty good at his job. But I think LSU took advantage of the one attribute Manziel lacks: patience. He's a great improvisational talent, and he makes great split second decisions on the run, but he's not as good sitting back and waiting for things to happen. He forces the action. And when he did against LSU, it resulted in turnovers. The picks were his fault, and he got increasingly frustrated as the game went on the A&M offense couldn't move.
Posted by LuzianaFootball
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:28 am to
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SPEED!!!


Nuff said.
Posted by wilceaux
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:29 am to
I know no one wants to say it, but it didn't hurt that LSU and UF played them early in the year.
Posted by skullhawk
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:30 am to
I thought A&M went away from the run too early. The turnovers sure helped but 2 of the INTs were directly related to the coverage scheme.
Posted by JermStone
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:30 am to
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SPEED!!!


at linebacker in particular.

Bama's prototypical NFL lb's are bigger but had problems getting to the edges where LSU's did not
Posted by Bmath
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:31 am to
LSU survived the initial onslaught, and it helped that the Aggies couldn't recover after having a TD called back.

Chavis had the ends play contain, and forced ATM to try to beat them through the air. It also didn't hurt that Kyle field was experiencing huge gusts of wind during the game.
Posted by Guava Jelly
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:32 am to
quote:

I know no one wants to say it, but it didn't hurt that LSU and UF played them early in the year


Why wouldn't anyone want to say it?
Are you insinuating that UF found a magical formula that LSU wouldn't have found?
Posted by Moustache
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:32 am to
quote:

Why couldn't they run the ball? Well, A&M's backs aren't that great.


See I disagree.

Malena is pretty good, Trey williams is a beast and so fast, and this year they get brandon williams. I think we'll be surprised at how much TAMU runs with their RBs. It's gonna be harder to do our scheme against them this year.
Posted by wilceaux
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:33 am to
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Why wouldn't anyone want to say it?


Because it is the primary excuse made by Aggie fans, and LSU fans don't want to agree with them, generally speaking.
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:34 am to
lotta good pts being made, but one that isn't mentioned often is that we had played a similar offense vs WVU the yr before. Geno and Manziel are different types of QBs to an extent, but Sumlin and Holgorsen like to do a lot of the same things.

Chief wuz ready!!
Posted by Moustache
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:34 am to
quote:

I know no one wants to say it, but it didn't hurt that LSU and UF played them early in the year



See, i think UF was preparing for a Case Keenum/Graham Harrell type offense and got totally fricking shell shocked when JFF was out there. That's worst than playing them in November IMO. UF had to throw all gameplanning out the window at that point.
Posted by Moustache
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:36 am to
With the way the Ags are recruiting (elite backs, great OL, terrific WRs) is the scheme they run a superior offensive scheme? Or does this offense require such a talent at QB that without one they turn into Auburn?
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61875 posts
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:39 am to
Mingo and Montgomery's speed on the outside helped contain him. That's more freak athletes than anything else.
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